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Renee Hoyos

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Part of a political election campaign. DePRODed. Concern = Paid article created as part of the September 2017 election campaign for the 2nd Congressional seat of Tennessee. Fails WP:POLITICIAN. The page was a commisioned work created by banned paid editor KDS4444. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:15, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

• Keep. The article appears to have been significantly edited since it's original posting. It feels like the original complaint that this was a paid political post has been resolved. On the merits of the page in general, there appears to have been significant coverage of Hoyos (brief review of news articles from your favorite search engine) which satisfies WP:Notability requirements. Additionally, with her political involvement and the coverage she is receiving, I believe she qualifies as a major local political figure under the WP:Notability_(people)#Politicians_and_judges definition.
• Delete. We cannot keep content created by an undisclosed paid editor in violation of our terms of use. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:47, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:02, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Tennessee-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:03, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

• Comment. Conceivably notable as an environmental activist on the strength of this newspaper reference if an additional in-depth reference can be found, but I agree that just being a candidate does not itself bring notability. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:27, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
• Strong delete unelected candidates are almost always not notable. Her role as an activist no where near comes close to being notable. Wikipedia is not a proper place for campaign promotionalism, and we need to be hyper vigilant is destroying attempts to abuse the encyclopedia to use it for such.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:12, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:23, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

• Delete Page has many issues, apparently - but not meeting WP:NPOL or WP:GNG are two of these issues. SportingFlyer talk 21:13, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
• Delete Heavy COI and does not satisfy GNG. --1l2l3k (talk) 16:30, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
• Delete. People do not get Wikipedia articles just for running as candidates in congressional primaries — she has to win the general election in November to claim notability as a politician, not just be a candidate for her party's nomination. Absent an election victory that makes her the district's formal representative-elect, she would need to demonstrate enough preexisting notability for other reasons to have qualified for an article on those grounds — but this cites only a single "Top 10" listicle in the local newspaper, which is not enough coverage to have gotten her over WP:GNG for that work. Bearcat (talk) 14:34, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. Hoyos is now the official Democratic Nominee for the Second Congressional District, receiving over 22,000 votes in the primary election. She has been the subject of numerous interviews and news articles in the greater Knoxville area, and (I believe) the first woman to win a primary election for a major party in Tennessee's 2nd district. This fact alone is significant and merits recognition. It is also untrue that politicians who have not won a general election do not receive Wikipedia articles-- take for example congressional nominee Randy Bryce or perennial Tennessee candidate Basil Marceaux, the latter of whom received fewer than 1300 votes in his most recent bid for governor. Barring how effectively this shows her "notability", a quick google of her nonprofit work shows obvious public awareness and community engagement. Hoyos was the Executive Director of the Tennessee Clean Water Network for 14 years, and has been featured in numerous articles describing her advocacy for water quality in Tennessee. See this article about sewage spills. The TCWN under her leadership also sued the department of defense for dumping an explosive chemical in the Holston river, contaminating drinking water, and won this battle. She personally has been profiled in several articles and has represented environmental interests in a high-profile way consistently for years. Furthermore, I have personally spoken with one of her representatives who stated that the article by KDS4444 was done for free, prior to the beginning of her campaign and centered on her environmental, not political work. I am a greenhorn, but will be happy to contribute, or to nominate someone to contribute more to this article to reflect this. Senorred (talk) 00:44, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

• Comment The very first reference in the very first version of the article history talks about her announcing her candidacy, so I don't buy the "free article prior to nomination" argument for a second. Furthermore, check out WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS as an argument to avoid in a deletion discussion. SportingFlyer talk 01:01, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Okay, I reached out and spoke to Hoyos tonight. She says the original author approached her and offered to write the article for free. She believed that the original article had more information about her environmental work, since it was related to the articles that author was publishing. If the concern with the article is just the stub component from the original edit, I'll be happy to rewrite the entire article without that particular phrase. I've already shown she has more than two articles from different reputable sources (that are NOT from the original article) to indicate she's a person of likely notability. Is there a way to extend this deletion nomination discussion so that I can get the time/collaborators to do a major rewrite reflecting this?Senorred (talk) 02:16, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

• Comment I have dramatically updated the article to meet standards for both WP:POLITICIAN and GNG. These include 2 biographical in-depth, independent articles that examine the subject before her political campaign. Furthermore, several articles and links have been added describing her environmental advocacy (wherein she is quoted), specifically w/r/t her involvement in the non-profit world and Knoxville community. Moreover, I'll note that while it is true only being a candidate does not meet the WP:POLITICIAN standards, the person is only not notable if they do not otherwise meet criteria for notability. That means that a candidate can be notable without holding office as long as they have independent, verifiable sources (example: Ocasio-Cortez, who was not necessarily notable prior to her primary win). This update is by no means exhaustive and I would greatly appreciate some help from the Tennessee project or similar groups.Senorred (talk) 22:37, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
• delete the PROMO content and behavior is glaring. Jytdog (talk) 23:05, 6 August 2018 (UTC)