Talk:Chicken/Archive 2

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Huh, wierd, the other day I saw someone put down how much they loved chickens, and I erased it... Is there a chance it was still in the record?

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This page looks as though it was written by someone with ADD.

---Someone is aski me to come up with a picture of a chicken's earlobe. Do chicken's have earlobe and if they do were would I look for a picture of one? Sorry if this question is stupid.-

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Not stupid! I know of pictures of chicken earlobes -
Big, pronounced white earlobes:
http://www.mypetchicken.com/Rosecomb_R-X46.aspx
http://www.mypetchicken.com/Dutch_Blue-X36.aspx
http://www.mypetchicken.com/Blue_Andal-X56.aspx
http://www.mypetchicken.com/Barred_Ros-X67.aspx

Normal white earlobe:
http://www.mypetchicken.com/Earlobe_Co-X23.aspx

Normal red earlobes:
http://www.mypetchicken.com/Partridge_-X45.aspx
http://www.mypetchicken.com/Rhode_Isla-X65.aspx
http://www.mypetchicken.com/Bantam_Cor-X40.aspx

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Anybody read this? "Chickens are carnivores and will feed on small children, and even large mammals like giraffes, if they can get them. Domestic chickens are capable of flying for long distances. Chickens will sometimes fly simply in order to explore their surroundings, but will especially fly in an attempt to attack when they are hungry." Sounds fishy to me.

why? this is perfectly good information.

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So I was hoping to find something about chicken farming here... like, for example, what is the role of roosters in chicken farming? How often do hens lay? Could anyone add these things? Graft 15:35, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Now could somebody add a modern version? I have the feeling that some of Columella's advice is obsolete, but I know from nothing. --JerryFriedman 19:03, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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Man, the top of this page looks awful. Anyone know table formatting enough to fix what's wrong? Jwrosenzweig 20:06, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)

great! thanks a lot! Yak 13:55, Feb 13, 2004 (UTC)

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Look at this sentence: "All parts of the animal are used, the recipes mention even the stomach, liver, the balls and even the parson's nose."

Are the chicken "balls" what I think they are, or is it just my pruient mind? If chicken "balls" are not testicles, then what are they? And what is a "parson's nose"?Brian_Schlosser42 23 April 2004

I can't think of anything other than testicles for balls (speaking as an amateur chicken raiser for the last decade plus). "The parson's nose" is a weird slang term for the fatty stub on the chicken where the tail feathers attach; it's more commonly called the "tail" (though incorrectly), and its proper term, I believe, is the pygostyle. I'll fix the sentence in question. Jwrosenzweig 19:11, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

if you dislike parson's nose, ok, but what IS the correct English name? You have simply replaced it by an explanation.

--Yak 17:42, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

"pygostyle" It's also called the Pope's nose. I didn't know any name for it till I was in my twenties, and I suspect a lot of English speakers don't. --JerryFriedman 19:03, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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"Columella advises to slaughter hens that are older than three years ...". What or who is Columella ? Jay 09:30, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Ancient Roman author writing on Agriculture --Yak 20:34, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks yak. Jay 17:26, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Capons

Speaking of balls, is "capos" (near the end of "Chicken breeding" a typo for "capons"? If so, it needs explanation, as the spurs are not the only thing removed from capons. I hope the Romans didn't castrate roosters with hot irons! --JerryFriedman 19:47, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

capons, yes. Columella says: Of these three, only the female animals are called chicken (gallinae), the male cocks (galli) and the halfmale capons (semimares galli), and they are called thus because they have been castrated to abolish the sexual urge. This is done not by removing the genitals, but by buring out the spurs with a hot iron, when these have been destroyed by the heat, the wounds are covered with potter's clay until they are healed. (Book 8, chapter 2, 3-4).

not very nice, I am sure, but that's it. How do you castrate cocks? --Yak 22:03, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Since chickens and other birds don't have external testicles, the castration of a cock usually involves an operation to remove the testicales from inside the chicken. The page on capons has a link that shows how this is performed. This sort of effort is the reason why you don't see many capons available for sale. --pjf 09:09, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, capons are somewhat commonly sold in the Christmas season in some parts of Europe, such as France. They are a smaller alternative to turkey. (Of course, they are pricier than normal chickens.) David.Monniaux 08:29, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Genome

Should we add something about the news that scientists have "cracked" the chicken genome (cracked may not be the right word....help me, biologists?)? [1] Jwrosenzweig 00:14, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Seriously, the explanation of Columella's chicken breeding habits is an interesting read, but it should have no place in a main atricle on a encyclopedia. Reasons: It's probably outdated information, and as far as I guess, it has had no especially significant or peculiar impact on current breeding habits to warrant a place on a generic article about chickens. (For reference: If the information really isn't outdated, it should be mentioned that "even though this was written a long time ago, chickens are still handled in the exact same way as in historical Rome".)

I'd like to see the text moved to it's own article, for example titled "Historical Roman chicken breeding habits", or something alike. If there are no arguments against this, I'll probably be back to do the change it at some point.

I'd also like to see some information on chicken egg fertilization and such. I'd add that myslef, but unfortunately as I came here searching for the said information, I do not have it to share. --195.148.72.14 17:36, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cratinus & Athenaeus

I replaced "Kratinos" with its Romanization of "Cratinus" so that it would link to the appropriate article. Regarding the "Athinaios" citation, I couldn't find anything. Cratinus didn't have any works by that name. Athenaeus reported some fragments of earlier Greek writers, so maybe that was what was meant. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me. --Jpbrenna 05:08, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Chicken Oddities

I've removed the following text from the article, as I do not believe it is encyclopedic, nor does it come with a reference:

A lady brought a Chicken Hen on the Tonight Show with Jay Leno and it played "Mary Had A Little Lamb" on a child's toy piano and bowled 3 strikes scoring a Turkey. Some Animal Rights Activists like PETA see this and other amazing Chickens as evidence that Chickens are intelligent and sentient and shold not be killed or eaten.

If anyone disagrees with this, or would like to argue that this section adds significantly to the article, then I would love to hear it. --PJF ^(talk) 04:08, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

quite frankly, i do not in any way see how this improved the article. try to see the page from the POV of someone doing research on chickens; do you think that they would rather learn something new about the birds or not? adding info to an article never hurts, and "encyclopedic" applies not to the content of the article, which is (or should be) the sum of all the relevant info available on the subject, which we can't control at our discretion, but rather how it is stated. "chickens can be very smart and one even played a piano on jay leno!1!" would be unencyclopedic. i'm restoring the passage, albeit with a . i'll find a reference, or if i can't i'll take it back out. Joeyramoney 22:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Added discussion of free range chickens and correct reference to broilers.

What about chicken language? i've heard reports that their 'language' contains as many as 100 words/pharases! personally i've identifyed about 10. i think this deserves some sort of mention 205.188.116.201 23:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Smoking Birds

Who the hell smokes birds? [snip]Chicken coops should face southeast and lie adjacent to the kitchen, as smoke is beneficial for the animals. Coops should consist of three rooms and possess a hearth. Dry dust or ash should be provided for dust-baths.[snip] Is that not a little... strange??? -- 129.116.66.194

Chickens definitely need dust/ash/soil for dustbathing, it one of the birds' natural ways of removing parasites, as is essential for the well-being of the birds. As for smoke being beneficial to the birds, there are certain parasitic diseases that can affect a chicken's throat and respiratory system. These parasites can be killed by smoke, and one way to 'cure' birds suffering from such infestations was to put them in an extremely smokey room long enough to kill the parasites, but not the bird. The comment about it being beneficial in general may have reflected the lower incident of throat-parasites in birds kept in smokey conditions.

I'll need to dig through my books on chicken health and care to give references regarding the smoke and parasites. In any case it certainly needs further clarification in the text. --PJF ^(talk) 01:02, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

but 'coops should consist of three rooms'? my chickens need to be together. i tried keeping mine seperate, but they got cold (even though i keep a heat-lamp on them)and i lost production. when i combined my coops, my hatch consisted of mutts, but i actually got a hatch.

Chickens in religion

The cock, pig, and snake are an important triune symbol in some Buddhist traditions (but for what, exactly, I don't remember at the moment. Something like anger, greed, and envy?) --216.240.37.31 23:57, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

More Chickens in religion

Seems odd that no mention of Voudoun or Santeria is made.

Chickens in Greek religion

Chickens were definitely used for regular sacrifices in Greece, in particular to Aesculap (Asklepios). A rooster was considered the proper sign of gratitude for successful healing. Socrate's last words are reported to have been "We owe a rooster to Asklepios; see that this is done promptly" (according to Plato's account and probably meant to indicate that Socrate considered his death the healing of a long diease). --Sanctacaris 07:57, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Status

How can a domesticated form of a bird have a conservation status? Shouldn't it be Red Junglefowl that is marked as secure? jimfbleak 7 July 2005 06:09 (UTC)

I would say no since the Red Junglefowl is not the same as a domestic chicken. What you suggest would be like saying we should mark Homo erectus as secure since Man still survives today. SeaFox 20:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't believe in evolution, but there's hardly any outward difference between this Old English Game Bird (#1) (a chicken), and this Red Jungle Fowl (#2).

http://static.zsl.org/static/site/image-library/watermarked/032.jpg

http://www.wildlifetrustofindia.org/pictures/Red%20jungle%20fowl%20.JPG

(No, these aren't mine and as far as I know are under copyright, so don't use them in the article)

The Editor 2 18:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Request For Content (RFC)

How often do chickens lay eggs? Do they lay multiple at a time? Things like this I want to know.

That info is already in the article. Please actually read the article before requesting that info be added to it! Thank you Tekana (O.o) Talk 17:49, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Increased popularty as Pets

In the UK chickens have started to gain popularty as pets, behind this up-surge in popularty is the advent of the [eglu] it's kind of like the imac of the chicken world. The eglu has recived a resonable amount of press in the UK which has raised a lot of awareness of chickens as pet in the UK.

Does anyone know how many bones are in a chickens body?

Does anyone know what breed is depicted in the immage with the caption "A chicken at the 2005 Royal Melbourne Show"? I have a pet rooster, who i adore and have had for many years, who is very obviously the same breed as the one depicted. (for a long time I considdered him a rhode island red, but this picture calls my judgement into question) Paco 23:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

To what age do chickes live?

I'm surprised this rather basic information isn't in the article. Outside of the section on 'chickens as food', there doesn't appear to be anything about the life and death of chickens. -- Ec5618 22:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I have a no-kill flock (as pets and for eggs but not meat) and the lifespans of my birds have averaged 8-10 years. My oldest hen was 12 years old when she died of natural causes. I've had chickens for decades, probably a couple hundred birds in all. This is based only on personal experience, however, and I'm not an expert. Anyone else? Rooster613 19:46, 2 February 2006 (UTC)Rooster613

We have several flocks of chickens. I once had a rooster called Norman which lived until 11. Most of our chickens are killed at 5 years, however we have had a few that have lived until around 8 or 9. On experience only I would say they live the same period as whatRooster613 said. I will look it up on the internet though. Kyle sb 05:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Compare to the 42 to 49 days [2] that the modern meat typically gets to live. Femto 14:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Binomial/trinomial name

Currently, Gallus gallus redirects to Red junglefowl, which claims that the domestic chicken is Gallus gallus domesticus. Should this article be changed to reflect that? —Keenan Pepper 03:12, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, in the absence of any response, I'm changing it. —Keenan Pepper 13:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Chicken Facts

chicken is what you call somneone who backs down without trying

Thats actually quite innacurate. I own quite a few chickens, and considder them to be intellegent in most respects. except for one: judging opponants. I (inadvertently) trained my pet rooster 'Odyssues' to attack my father's black cowboy-boots. even though my father, who is at least 10 times Odysseus's size, often violently kicks him away, Odysseus persists in his attacks. Odysseus's behavior has now begun to include attacking car tires. (Lately, i've had to be very cautious when driving out of my yard) These factors have led me to conclude one of two possabilities: 1: Chickens are either quite stupid (which i've already stated they're not) or 2: Chickens are some of the most suicidally brave animals in existence. Paco 23:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Broody

Where is the entire section on chickens going broody their incubation period and general mothering. Was it removed intentionally or lost in the never ending vandalism that occurs on this article? Kyle sb 16:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

There definitely needs to be a section! Minglex 16:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

I have re-added the Broody and mothering section which was 'lost' in these last few days. I can't see why anyone would want it removed and have to assume it was deleted by a vandal or accidentally. Kyle sb 16:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject chickens?

Does a project for creating an improving articles on the many chicken breeds exist yet? Minglex 16:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

There ought to be, especially since Wikipedia's coverage of chicken breeds is poor. Kyle sb 16:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject chickens would rock. Is there anyone out there who can actually make this a reality, or are three people just going to talk about it on the chat page?Chicken666 18:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:Chicken as pets.gif

In case nobody noticed, the picture of a woman holding a hen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chicken_as_pets.gif) is animated. Every couple of minutes or so the hen turns into a bucket of KFC. I find it hilarious, but that shouldn't be in an encyclopedia.

Thanks for bringing that to our attention. It sure does. Yikes. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I wish I had seen that... Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 02:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

"Loving"?

Re "Chickens can make loving and gentle companion animals": I have kept chickens for both food and companionship, and, while the birds can be sociable enough, I'm not sure one can honestly describe any chicken's behavior as "loving". Are fowl capable of love? Bchan 16:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Swimming?

Are chickens able to swim? :/ Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 02:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

To my knowledge, no. And I own chickens. They have at least three factors going against them:

1. They can't float. (to my knowledge)
2. Then their many fluffy underfeathers get wet, and weighs them down even more. (no, their semi-water proof outer feathers won't protect them, since most likely they will flap trying to escape from the water, not to mention that they are just that, semi-waterproof.)
3. Their feet are not webbed, so they would flail around helplessly underwater.

None of the above is pretty.

I also have chickens and I have by all means seen them swim in a deep pool. I don't know for how long they could swim or if they could direct themselves, but a chicken, alive or dead, at least floats, and seems to keep its head up (the alive ones anyway). I was unable to find a citeable reference on the subject.

The Editor 2 15:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Thus meaning you can put them on an island somewhere for them to populate...Chicken Island! --TheJosh 10:14, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Chick Ratio

when chickens are raised to lay eggs the male chicks are apparantly killed. I just wonder, does someone know what the ration of male chicks to female chicks is? I read on some sites that it is 1 male to 4 female and on another it is 1m to 9f. It would be good if the chicken page could contain some data on this.

thanks

Absolutely not! Assuming of course you ment before any chicks are killed. If a clutch of eggs is hatched naturally by a hen, or you do it in an incubator, it is about 50/50. That is unless before they hatch you candle them and kill the ones you think are male. Which is oddly in my mind to close to abortion to be good. I'd wait until they grow up so you can get some meat off them. The Editor 2 15:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

quite honestly, the reason people vandalize this page is because it's funny:) we should just keep erasing it and tough it out. Chicken666 13:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

This won't help matters. Despite what Fictional Jimbo Wales says :-) --Richmeister 14:22, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

This might be simultaneously the best and worst idea ever. [3] Gorman 14:58, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Hilarity Ensues! -- wtfunkymonkey 15:12, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Chicken diseases, chickens as food.

If anyone has time, could they:

• Create articles for the deseases that are externally linked
• Find common names for deseases
• Create a list of chicken dishes
• Link to that list in the chickens for food section

TheJosh 10:12, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism

Ryan of Dinosaur Comics recently (http://www.qwantz.com/index.pl?comic=879) advised everyone to stop vandalising Wikipedia as a whole and just to target this page. Vandalism may increase. http://www.everytopicintheuniverseexceptchickens.com/ Fishies Plaice 16:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Well

Doesn't everyone know about chickens?!!?!

Why not! http://www.everytopicintheuniverseexceptchickens.com/Thechosenone021 16:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

P.S. (this is a discussion page. Please remember that these are only suggestions. Do not kill me!)

edit suggestions from anonymous users

Can someone revert this edit. Subsequent vandalism got reversed, but this one was forgotten. thanks. --84.172.176.156 16:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Is what he says true? That wikipedia editors are completely humorless about wikipedia? If so, can we edit that? --68.167.148.211 16:52, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Some are, I'm sure, but most are human beings. :P --Masamage 17:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

If you can cite a reliable source for our being humorless, we will be honor-bound to include it. Also, Masamage, good call on the protect--I was about to do it myself after reading Ryan North's Livejournal. -- Merope 17:42, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, not ALL Wikipedia editors are completely humourless about Wikipedia! I said "many" when I *probably* should have said "just the stereotypical ones". ALSO: when I linked to this article it was already protected from before, so I didn't expect it would cause too much trouble. Sorry if it has been! -- Ryan

Look, everyone! It's Ryan North! And, dude, some of us do have a sense of humor. See, I can link to it and everything! -- Merope 18:06, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Daaaaamn! It's true! It's not even a red link either!

I guess IN MY DEFENSE I was only talking about many not having a sense of humour about Wikipedia, not in general? --Ryan