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Section sizes

Section size for War in Donbas (53 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	27,179	27,179
Background	7,000	12,995
Protests	5,995	5,995
Proxy war	2,974	141,830
Militants seize towns	2,498	18,079
Sloviansk	5,318	5,318
Kramatorsk	1,576	1,576
Horlivka	3,609	3,609
Other settlements	5,078	5,078
Government counter-offensive: "the Anti-Terrorist Operation"	27,121	27,121
May 2014: post-referendum fighting	13,100	16,862
Airport battle and fighting in Luhansk	3,762	3,762
Escalation in May and June 2014	1,525	22,864
Luhansk border post siege	1,266	1,266
2 June Luhansk airstrike	2,876	2,876
Continued fighting	4,187	4,187
Russian tank incursion	7,210	7,210
Ilyushin Il-76 shoot-down	1,190	1,190
Battle of Yampil	4,610	4,610
July 2014: post-ceasefire government offensive	12,071	12,071
Fighting worsens in eastern Donetsk Oblast	4,821	4,821
Downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17	4,425	4,425
Government push into Donetsk and Luhansk cities	32,613	32,613
Open war between Russia and Ukraine	131	126,947
August 2014 invasion by Russian forces	24,510	24,510
September 2014 ceasefire	13,786	13,786
November 2014 separatist elections and aftermath	11,230	11,230
Escalation in January 2015	18,176	18,176
Minsk II ceasefire and denouement	13,548	13,548
January 2017 eruption of heavy fighting and failed ceasefires	21,857	21,857
October 2019 Steinmeier formula agreement and July 2020 ceasefire	7,687	7,687
2021–2022 escalation	14,208	14,208
2022 full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine	1,814	1,814
Combatants	18	26,193
List of combatants	157	157
Russian involvement	24,088	24,088
Military aid to Ukraine	1,930	1,930
Casualties	758	11,881
Civilians	1,945	1,945
Ukrainian forces	1,552	1,552
Separatist forces	7,626	7,626
Humanitarian concerns	8,505	13,678
Displaced population	5,173	5,173
Reactions	16	19,668
Ukrainian public opinion	4,915	4,915
Russia	1,616	1,616
International reactions	413	413
Labelling of the conflict	12,708	12,708
See also	263	263
Notes	26	26
References	30	30
Further reading	100	100
External links	2,527	2,527
Total	383,317	383,317

Casualty sources

109.161.44.44, regarding your edit here [1], please check the sources again for the separatist casualties. First source, for the lower figure, is Russian, not Ukrainian. Second source is citing a UN report, quote - "according to the UN Monitoring Mission on Human Rights". As per Wikipedia's policy, we are advised to focus more on using secondary, not primary sources (which is the UN report), when possible. If it will satisfy you, we can use the Deutsche Welle (reliable German source) report as well, although its not in English (but this does not exclude it as a source). Finally, you inserted the figure of 3,544 which is unsourced and contrary to the source for the lower of 4,412. Cargo 200 (an NGO), which was agreed to be used some time ago through discussions, lists 4,424 names, of which 12 are journalists (11 Russian and 1 Italian), while the rest are classified as pro-separatist fighters. EkoGraf (talk) 23:23, 31 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Elena Vasilieva and NGO 200

How reliable is the information of this pro-ukrainian activist? This is the same woman who told about the zombie rays of the russian army. She is just a media person, not a reliable source.

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 .161.44.44, regarding your edit here [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=War_in_Donbass&diff=881142974&oldid=881088716], please check the sources again for the separatist casualties. First source, for the lower figure, is Russian, not Ukrainian. Second source is citing a UN report, quote - "according to the UN Monitoring Mission on Human Rights". As per Wikipedia's policy, we are advised to focus more on using secondary, not primary sources (which is the UN report), when possible. If it will satisfy you, we can use the Deutsche Welle (reliable German source) report as well, although its not in English (but this does not exclude it as a source). Finally, you inserted the figure of 3,544 which is unsourced and contrary to the source for the lower of 4,412. ''Cargo 200'' (an NGO), which was agreed to be used some time ago through discussions, lists 4,424 names, of which 12 are journalists (11 Russian and 1 Italian), while the rest are classified as pro-separatist fighters. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 23:23, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
+== Elena Vasilieva and NGO 200 ==
+How reliable is the information of this pro-ukrainian activist? This is the same woman who told about the zombie rays of the russian army. She is just a media person, not a reliable source.