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No genocide, no democide. Nothing. What happend? Another "plot of the Russians editors" or just inadvertence of administrators?--133.41.4.46 15:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of suspecting an existence of a "plot" and being deluded that a [category:genocide] makes or breaks Holodomor as such, consider getting a wikipedia account, then pick a section in the Holodomor article and contribute towards an wp:npov version. If you think that the Holodomor was genocide then make sure the arguments for it being so are reflected in the main article and cited with scholarly citations. As you can probably see from the reference section, currently this article heavily cites a work by the Davies et. al., in effect Davies et. al. pov is heavily reflected. --Riurik ^(discuss) 19:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

no democide?--133.41.4.46 18:40, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Kov, having to deal with you is very annoying. You continue to refuse to sign in. You do not engage in talk page discussions, you insist on unreferenced or poorly referenced changes. Such attitutde is widely considered trollish. --Irpen 18:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have returned democide. I think it is appropriate Alex Bakharev 00:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am replacing the massive user:LuisMatosRibeiro's paste of the off-site material to this talk page with a link:

Andrea Graziosi, The Soviet 1931-33 Famines and the Ukrainian Holodomor: Is A New Interpretation Possible, What Would Its Consequences Be?, Conference on Soviet Totalitarianism in Ukraine: History and Legacy", September 2 - 6, 2005, Kiev, Ukraine.

First of all this pasting violated the copyright as the message at the bottom stated "All rights reserved. Coyping only with the written permission from the publisher." But even if it were not copyrighted, pasting of massive texts to the talk pages is extremely unhelpful as it makes discussion impossible by obscuring what editors are trying to say. Please do not do it. --Irpen 22:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Was the Holodomor genocide?

POV fork or a very bad title for a subarticle.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk} 16:54, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Was just created today by some user... What would you advise, Piotrus? -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 16:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I prodded the fork and restored the text back. This is an extremely important aspect and needs discussed in the main article. --Irpen 19:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lemkin line

Again, you can coin a marketing slogan, but not "genocide"- putting it as simply as humanly possible. Truthseeker 85.5 22:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We are not familiar with Lemkin's statements on whether H was Genocide. We know two things. Lemkin was first to define what a G is, the term belongs to him. He spoke at the meeting. The article says exactly this. --Irpen 22:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are absolutely right Irpen, thanks for fixing. I retract my objections. Truthseeker 85.5 22:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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 Again, you can coin a marketing slogan, but not "genocide"- putting it as simply as humanly possible. [[User:Truthseeker 85.5|Truthseeker 85.5]] 22:48, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 :We are not familiar with Lemkin's statements on whether H was Genocide. We know two things. Lemkin was first to define what a G is, the term belongs to him. He spoke at the meeting. The article says exactly this. --[[User:Irpen|Irpen]] 22:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
+::You are absolutely right Irpen, thanks for fixing. I retract my objections. [[User:Truthseeker 85.5|Truthseeker 85.5]] 22:57, 26 November 2006 (UTC)