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Sorry about the removal of Newkirk. That was a sloppy error. I actually added that second reference myself, here. Anyway I should have double checked these references. On another list that reference wasn't there, so after I deleted her entry there I came here and deleted it without remembering that I had actually verified it earlier. I'll correct the mistake on the other list as well. Thanks for catching that.Griswaldo (talk) 21:01, 15 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hitchens and Harris

Why are Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris not included in this list???? It seems so obvious they should be. Videoqualia (talk) 00:22, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

They are on another list which I think is more appropriate anyway - List of atheist authors. Neither of them are primarily educators or even activists. I mean yes they are activists, but they do their activism through publishing books.Griswaldo (talk) 22:14, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

True. But then again, is there (I'm genuinely unsure, not meaning it rhetorically) any harm listing them in both places? When people fit comfortably into more than one pigeonhole, we could put them in both. Take Dawkins: Scientist? check. Activist/educator? check. Author? check. (Note that, I suspect most people think of Dawkins as a scietist, he's not done any actual science himself for decades: he's been primarily an author and teacher.)

Conversely, there's people like John Allen Paulos. Dawkins has TGD; Hitchens has GING; Harris has TEoF and Paulos has Irreligion. But unlike the former trio, as far as I know Paulos doesn't otherwise go out of his way to argue the case at every opportunity. That is, while every nonfiction author might seek to 'educate', and those promoting one position over another might be 'activists', only a subset of such authors really do much else about it. So there's an arbitrary but 'feels right' split, whereby the 'active authors', as it were, can be also listed here. Yeah, it might be messy, but so are people: it's no more messy than strictly listing people under only one heading, because we then have to decide what they 'mainly are' at the expense of what they 'are a lot too'. If they're both, list 'em in both. Oolon (talk) 12:33, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infoboxes of individuals that have no religion.

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Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Emma Goldman - Not explicitly an atheist

It is treading a very fine line to identify Emma Goldman as an Atheist. Goldman was very much an Anarchist, and a supporter of Catholic Anarchism and Dorothy Day, the houses of hospitality associated with her (Day), and in her later works she did not speak of spirituality as it related to socialism - ONLY if it was in a context directly relative to ORGANIZED RELIGION and its use to control the populous through the ruling class elite. She should be taken off of this list without doubt.