Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in Belgium

Why quote the pages in Flemish here?

The quoted pages on www.info-coronavirus.be are available in Netherlands, French and English. As this pages is intended for native English speakers, the politeness would be to quote pages in that language when they are available. For example, https://www.info-coronavirus.be/en/news is better here than https://www.info-coronavirus.be/nl/news/ even if there is a delay for the English version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpilotte (talk • contribs) 11:31, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Feel free and adapt it in this way. And by the way: the quotes are in Dutch, not in Flemish. And "Netherlands" doesn't not exist as a languange. --Tfa1964 (talk) 23:13, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Only the Dutch and French version of this government site are regularly updated, whereas the English and German part only get sporadic updates, and not all articles are translated (e.g. look at the site, as of time of writing, the English and German part say nothing about the 3 deaths, whereas the Dutch and French version do). Therefore, quoting the site in Dutch and French would be better in my opinion. I get what you mean with this, but knowing how relevant information, especially for this pandemic, comes in fast, it's a necessary evil to keep the page updated to it's fullest extent Kef274 (talk) 07:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject COVID-19

I've created WikiProject COVID-19 as a temporary or permanent WikiProject and invite editors to use this space for discussing ways to improve coverage of the ongoing 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Please bring your ideas to the project/talk page. Stay safe, --Another Believer _(Talk) 17:33, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Wrong graph of deaths?

According to these sources: COVID-19 - EPIDEMIOLOGISCH BULLETIN NL and COVID-19 - BULLETIN EPIDEMIOLOGIQUE FR the graph 'Confirmed deaths per day in Belgium' is not correct. What is the cause? Where the reported statistics in the past wrong and is this corrected by governement afterwards? Or what is the source of the current graph? --PJ Geest (talk) 09:19, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

I agree and I have verified the numbers on the archived copies of the official bulletin in french and in dutch, as well as the press conferences now added daily on youtube, and corrected the counts accordingly. However it feels like we have too many redundant copies of the same numbers, I had to correct 3 tables/charts. --Redturnips (talk) 16:25, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

The numbers on the press conference are the additional confirmed deaths each day, but the date of these deaths can be different. In the Sciensano graph, the deaths are according to the effective date of death. Shouldn't we take these dates? --PJ Geest (talk) 20:48, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Raw data IC patients

Concerning these two sources: COVID-19 - EPIDEMIOLOGISCH BULLETIN NL and COVID-19 - BULLETIN EPIDEMIOLOGIQUE FR.

I would like to have the raw numbers on the first graph on page 3. I would also like to now if the IC numbers are the amount of current IC cases. I.e. if they are corrected for people who got out of IC.

Using this data I want to construct two graphs: - Amount of current patients in IC per day. I believe this is a better reflection of the current hit our healthcare system is taking. - Amount of new patients in IC per day. I believe this is a better reflection of the total amount of people infected. As you would expect a certain percentage of people infected to be hit hard enough to be held in IC.

I believe these two graphs would be better indicators than the amount of confirmed cases, as these numbers highly depend on how much and whom the government is testing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffreydr (talk • contribs) 12:34, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Logistic growth model fit for confirmed COVID-19 cases in Belgium for data from 07/03/2020 until 22/03/2020.

I think that it does not make any sense present the forecast over 1 month (using a logistic fit) without also including the uncertainties in the forecast which are likely to be very large. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.136.237.223 (talk) 13:16, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I still find it odd that we can only get the data from 1 day before. Meaning that if you didn't save a bulletin, you lack datapoints. So if anyone has the bulletins saved over the course of a few weeks, I would very much like to get them — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffreydr (talk • contribs) 13:03, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Historical PDF now available as on the French and Dutch page from march 14th onward : https://epidemio.wiv-isp.be/ID/Pages/2019-nCoV_epidemiological_situation.aspx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.26.3.225 (talk) 12:25, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

There is also a graph showing a logistic fit on the daily numbers (daily new deaths, daily hospitalized). This doesn't make sense to me. A logistic model can only be used on the totals. Since the logistic model trends towards a certain number, we can't expect to keep having 80 deaths per day due to Covid-19... For the initial phase, logistic growth is just exponential, and you can indeed fit both stats with exponential functions (as the derivative or the integral of an exponential is again an exponential). But once you get into the flattening part of the logistic function, the derivative becomes quite different. Sanderd17 (talk) 10:18, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hospitalized figures wrong.

What is definition ? Total people hospitalized over time or at a specific day ? Figures seems to be mixture of both. Or did you copy the wrong text on the summary part of the bulletin of today ? The line on page 3 is the correct one!!

regards, theo

Which part of the article do you think is wrong? --Jrm7 (talk) 00:56, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

The title in the wikipage suggests the hospitalized numbers are from people who entered the hospital. But the numbers in the table (and the bulletins) are also corrected for the amount of people who left the hospital. i.e. the value "number of hospitalized people" is the amount of people in the hospital on that day, not the cumulative of the amount of people who ENTERED the hospital over all days. --Jeffreydr (talk) 12:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)