Talk:List of historic titles of British monarchs

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major errors

this article is full of major errors. It seems to be a rip off of the List of titles and honours of the Spanish Crown. it seems like a bad copy and paste job. the UK and Spain have a very different history. Spain was formed from many different kingdoms being inherited/conquered, then merged. Therefore, the King of Spain has titles for kingdoms and realms that now form one single Kingdom. the UK and the British Crown created most of its titles. Most of these titles have not been used in pretense, yet are historical. therefore the phrase "Titles in Pretence marked with * are historical titles which are only nominal and ceremonial." is not accurate. Every title Queen Elizabeth represents a realm she reigns over. Sure, she may not reign over all of Normandy, but she does over the Channel Islands. Also, some of the arms are wrong. 71.194.44.209 (talk) 08:23, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

In addition, the article lists titles previously held by the English monarchs. The monarchs of the United Kingdom never held them. DrKay (talk) 20:36, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

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Heir Apparent Titles

There is some opposition to including the titles of the heir apparent in this article. I cannot see any reason not to, as they aren't really substantial enough to form their own article but are closely related to the subject of this one. This approach has been taken by related articles, such as those covering Sweden, Spain, and Portugal. A.D.Hope (talk) 11:40, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

There's already an article about them, which is linked from here. DrKay (talk) 12:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

There isn't. There's an article about the Prince of Wales, but that isn't the same thing.A.D.Hope (talk) 12:19, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

I've restored the link which you deliberately removed. DrKay (talk) 12:22, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Fine by me - I don't think there's a particular need for it, but there's no harm it being there. I'm also not trying to have a fight, the article is in a pretty messy state and still needs a lot of improvement. I'd like to work with you on that. Now, why do you think the heir apparent's titles shouldn't be included? I know the article title is strictly about the monarch's titles, but this seems like the most natural place to include the heir apparent's.A.D.Hope (talk) 12:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

If I wanted to know about the titles of the prince of Wales, I would look at an article about the prince of Wales. The titles of the prince of Wales should be discussed at an article about the prince of Wales. That's the most natural place to include them. DrKay (talk) 12:41, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

I disagree. The information is relevant to both articles as they stand and can be included in both. A.D.Hope (talk) 12:53, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Renaming and Repurposing the Article

I don't think this article is fit for purpose, as it lacks a clear reason to exist. I've tried to edit it into better shape in the past (not very well, it must be said), and recent edits by DrKay, while a definite improvement, have reinforced my opinion that this article is disjointed because its purpose is unclear. It overlaps with several other articles related to the British monarchy while not adding much of substance itself.

Nevertheless, I do think that the article contains the seeds of a useful article. I propose renaming it List of the titles held by British sovereigns (or similar), and making it a list of the titles held by individual English, Scottish, and British monarchs, in the vein of the Style of the British Sovereign article. It could look something like this:

English sovereigns

Monarch	Titles	Reign
William the Conqueror	Duke of Normandy	1035–1087
	King of England	1066–1087
William II of England	King of England	1087-1100
Henry I of England	Duke of Normandy	1100-1135
	King of England	1106-1135
Stephen	Count of Boulogne	1125-1147
	Duke of Normandy	1134-1144
	King of England	1135-1154

This would provide an easily-accessible list of the titles each monarch held, rather than the ones they used in their style, and would therefore give the article a definite purpose. The sections on titles currently held by the monarch could be removed, as this is covered better in List of titles and honours of Elizabeth II.

The main issue I see is deciding whether or not to include titles such as 'Defender of the Faith'. A.D.Hope (talk) 13:47, 12 July 2020 (UTC)