Talk:The Economist Democracy Index

should i add a column for population?or

I was thinking of adding a column for population to the main table "Democracy Index by country 2019". So that the list can be sorted to see the places where most people live together at the top. Probably copied from the data available elsewhere on wikipedia e.g. list of countries by population.

It is a fairly time consuming mission, so i wanted to run it past other contributors to this article first. It would be way too frustrating if i spent the time on it and then someone deleted the column or did a rollback soon after.

I don't have an ulterior motive to hide or promote anywhere in particular. I'm Australian; we scored very well on this index and we're pretty tiny. I just think it would be useful and interesting to see China, India, USA, Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, Russia, etc. next to each other rather than scrolling through to compare?

Other factors would be interesting, but the table might get too bulky or too controversial? e.g. GDP, GNP, literacy rate, G8, G20, UN, Arab league, etc. National population estimates can be a bit inaccurate or out of date, but they don't tend to be subjective or controversial?

Irtapil (talk) 09:15, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Many things might be interesting but the EIU report doesn't show population so neither should we. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

United States

Hi, I know that this is just data from a specific company, but it still feels weird to make one wikipedia page about this as if it is generally accepted knowledge. Is there a way to create a more objective wikipedia page with a democracy index that is not based on one commercial company? More specifically/to give just one example, I am quite surprised United States still scores relatively high on this list, given the rapid decline in democratic practice (a process already quite visible before the 2019 reference date).Jelle1975 (talk) 19:26, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

The point isn't to make an objective Wikipedia page, though. The point is to present the results of the EUI; to change the list would be to falsely report the organization's list. This isn't the only index relevant to the subject matter, there are several (such as Freedom in the World by Freedom House). Some you might agree with more than others. But we're not the curators of their contents. 2600:1012:B042:2C42:0:56:D2EC:B901 (talk) 01:07, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Broken citation

Hello,

The citation in the article to an Google webcache archived version of the whitepaper (citation #8, "Democracy Index 2019 A year of democratic setbacks and popular protest", https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pxkaGlbZ-zEJ:https://www.eiu.com/Handlers/WhitepaperHandler.ashx%3Ffi%3DDemocracy-Index-2019.pdf%26mode%3Dwp%26campaignid%3Ddemocracyindex2019+&cd=1&hl=sv&ct=clnk&gl=se) now leads to a 404 error. I did go and put the original URL into my browser, and came up with this, after removing the "campaignid": http://www.eiu.com/Handlers/WhitepaperHandler.ashx?fi=Democracy-Index-2019.pdf&mode=wp

Would it violate the copyright to link directly to this URL?

Jcb cummings (talk) 11:55, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jcb cummings: I am unable to get to the pdf if I click directly on the link. I got redirected to https://www.eiu.com/n/ instead. – robertsky (talk) 17:50, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

@Robertsky: I figured out what happened. Turns out, I was logged into a burner account that I made to get the 2018 edition last year. I just haven't cleaned my cookies in well over a year.

In any case, that is the URL of the whitepaper (when you log in or create an account with them). I suppose we could still put it in, but how would we let people know that an account is required to access it? Jcb cummings (talk) 18:01, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jcb cummings: There is another citation to the 2019 index sign up page already:

<ref name="index2019">{{Cite web|url=https://www.eiu.com/public/topical_report.aspx?campaignid=democracyindex2019|title=Democracy Index 2019 A year of democratic setbacks and popular protest|website=[[Economist Intelligence Unit|EIU.com]]|url-access=registration|access-date=24 January 2020}}</ref>

I have removed the WhitepaperHandler citation instead since there's no way to access it directly anyway. – robertsky (talk) 18:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2020

In the table, there is 2 countries in North America. Mexico is considered in North America. The number should be 3 instead and one less in central america. Cedbomb (talk) 19:04, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. This is the classification that the source uses. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 23:27, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Monarchies are not democracys

Yes, you heard what I said Monarchies are not democracies, they are autocrate as the higest politcal posistion in those countries i.e head of state are inhearted from one one person to another by accident of birth, the following countries are monarchies and should be instantly disqualifed from this list no matter what other cirteria they my full fill, this goes for Norway, Sweden, New Zealand, Denmark, Canada, Netherlands, United Kingdom (btw the House of Lord is unelected so here is another obvious disqualificaition for UK), Spain, Japan just take "top 25" on this so calle democracy index list. DoctorHver (talk) 00:19, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

May be you should write to them and convince them to shift monarchies down the list.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:00, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Yet another editor that didn't read the simple notice above. Even if you're correct (you're not) it doesn't matter because this article is about EUI report and not about what you think.2606:6000:60CC:C900:D444:14B0:5C01:4BA7 (talk) 13:52, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

African countries

It’s completely biased; Angola, Ethiopia, Sudan and Mozambique should be revised. Mozambique has been some flawed democracy since the early 2000’s and in Angola since Dos Santos left the government has been open to some extent till homosexuality was legalized in 2019 among other freedoms, it doesn’t deserve to be on this list. Ethiopia has been reforming since PM Ahmed was elected and Sudan is still reforming with anti FGM laws tightened, homosexuality removed from death penalty, alcohol consumption allowed for non Muslims, freedom of religion and dress for women assured as well as adopting a secular constitution. So Sudan no longer deserve to be on the same list as Saudi Arabia or Iran. Nlivataye (talk) 15:50, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

No. Read the notice at the top.