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Since I assume a vast majority of us are now working reduced hours from home, not working at all, taking online classes, etc. Is anyone interested in a group effort to push a lot of our borderline articles to GA-status (or some other goal)? I haven't had this much free time in a decade and am struggling to fill it. Anyone interested? Grk1011 (talk) 15:18, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be interested in theory, but I think what we have to consider first is creating a set of guideline or a mini-MOS of sorts. Each year, the same issues are discussed a new and many (if not most) Eurovision article editors are either not familiar with or not interested in Wikipedia's guidelines. We, as a project, should have a central reference to allow for uniformity between articles. Editors I think would be well-equipped to cooperate on this include (in no particular order) @Dummelaksen, Semsûrî, Sammyham84, Fort esc, Ætoms, Alucard 16, Avco123, Wesley Wolf, and אומנות. IceWelder [✉] 15:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The main page for the project theoretically has the mini-MoS outlined in the Objectives section, however I honestly just threw that together 12 years ago without much input and it hasn't been updated with wiki-wide consensus changes throughout the years. Articles like Romania in the Eurovision Song Contest and Romania 2005 would be good guides since they're recent promotions (thanks @Cartoon network freak:!). Also pinging @009988aaabbbccc and LWL12345: for inclusion. Grk1011 (talk) 16:03, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there! Thanks for the kind words, I'm probably going to nominate a lot more of Romania at Eurovision pages, since my goal is to have them all promoted (ust like all Romanian songs). "Alcohol You" and Romania at ESC 2020 are already GANs. Hoping for the best, but btw still crying about the cancellation :( All the best; Cartoon network freak (talk) 16:14, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind helping out getting some articles to GA would be a nice break in-between working on the COVID-19 related stuff. While I totally understand and I back the decision I'm still heartbroken ESC got cancelled I had a lot of favs this year. Next event to watch out for is the Olympics its in July ekkk. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 17:51, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

An update on this challenge: We have 4 new Good Articles! Thank you @Cartoon network freak: and @Iaof2017:! The two of them, as well as myself and @HawkAussie: have a total of 9 more Good Article nominations pending (or currently undergoing) review. These statistics as well as some other project-related alerts can be seen on our Article Alerts tab. I understand that some of these were going to happen regardless of this "Good Article Push", but let's still try to feel like a cooperative group of editors! Thanks everyone! Grk1011 (talk) 15:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's awesome, Thank you too @Grk1011: for your contributions. :)--Lorik17 (talk) 15:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations to everyone. I'm really looking forward to finishing my Romania-in-ESC series, really wanted that for very long haha. Greets; Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Since I first posted about this in mid-March, we have gone from 59 Good Articles to 88!!! That's an increase of 29 Good Articles; a 50% increase! There are currently 5 additional articles either pending review or in the process of being reviewed. Thanks to all who have taken part! Grk1011 (talk) 23:35, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats everyone! This is really an amazing push! As I mentioned in my post below I am currently working on a new draft of the Eurovision main page with the aim of getting this back to GA, and ultimately FA again, so anyone who would like to help or contribute is more than welcome! I've already received some great comments via the draft talk page, so please do keep them coming. Sims2aholic8 (Michael) (talk) 09:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Entries in Eurovision" article consensus?

I recently noticed the "List of entries in the Eurovision Song Contest" article and was considering making some modifications, but before this I wanted to reach out to the project and see if there is consensus among project members on the fate of this article. I feel like it would need a lot of work: there are a few sections which I feel are irrelevant and out of scope (such as native/foreign language versions), but it does include some potentially useful information about the total number of songs (i.e. 500th, 1000th, 1500th songs etc.). It's a rather bulky article in my opinion and is mostly duplicating information already available on the "contest in year" articles, and beyond the official contest entries is largely unsourced, particularly the "withdrawn entries", which although in the large part are factually correct are not backed up by sources. I'm happy to work on improving this article, however I also wanted to reach out and check if there was consensus on potentially nominating for deletion, given some of the noted I mentioned previously. Happy to discuss further before making any decision and please do comment if you have any thoughts. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 13:12, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your effort. I agree, beyond the main list of entries, the article seems like a haphazard collection of trivia. I don't think the native and foreign language sections belong in the article and they'd be better suited to a fandom article, and the native language list is probably WP:OR if there's not a clear definition of what counts as a "native language" of a country. dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 13:47, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it makes sense to have the list, though it can't be collapsed for accessibility reasons. List articles typically don't need to have much prose. I agree that the other sections are not needed. Grk1011 (talk) 17:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying. Yes I agree it's a good article to have, so I'll take a stab at modifying it somewhat. That's a good point with collapsible tables impacting usability, so I'll remove that, split the tables by decade and hopefully that will aid readers, and given I also don't think it needs to be sortable in all honesty, especially with the "colspan" headers, splitting shouldn't be an issue there. I think there is some merit to keeping in the withdrawn and the '93 and '96 failed entries, and perhaps the replaced entries as well, but I'll only keep those for which I can find reliable references. Do let me know if you have any further comments. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 19:18, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On a related note, does anyone have thoughts on the corresponding article of JESC entries? There are a couple of templates on it currently around Wikipedia:Notability and its reliance on primary sources so just wondering if anyone has any strong opinions on keeping it, especially given there are very few links to any songs or artists. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 10:44, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Eurovision magic circus show

Good morning Everybody, I'm a New member of this Fantastic Project and I saw that map in Eurovision Magic Circus Show is wrong. could Someone Fix Bulgaria??? - - Esc0fans -and my 12 points go to... 11:34, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Country navboxes

A few months ago, @Grk1011: started a discussion on whether the new changes to the country in contest navboxes were a good addition, but I wasn't sure how I felt at the time so I didn't contibute. The navboxes now feature bold and italic text to denote information that doesn't serve the purpose of navigation and have "morphed into a haphazard summary of the participation". I agree with this, and I think the bold and italic text (which denote wins and hostings) should be removed. I'm leaning on the side of keeping the struck out years for non-participation because if they were removed, the casual reader might think that there is a mistake and a link is missing. However, I think the links to regular contest pages should be removed (as I did for Template:Finland in the Eurovision Song Contest). dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 02:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I also agree that it's starting to look very convoluted for what should be an aid for navigation, and I too don't particularly see the relevance of the bold and italic text for the years (especially when there's no consistency with bolding/italicising the artists or songs as well). I do see merit to keeping the scored-out years for the reason above (I'd perhaps make them smaller to appear less prominent, but that's more of a stylistic choice), but I don't know whether this is relevant in the songs/artists section as I don't think it adds much value given its main purpose for navigation and not an overview of their participation. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Post note, I would also agree that we should remove any links to the main contest article in cases where countries did not enter that year and are thus scored out, bringing this back to the main aim of these templates to enable easier navigation between related articles of the country rather than adding additional information that would complicate things. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:19, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the changes that have been made to the Finland template. Grk1011 (talk) 13:38, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone ahead and reformatted the navboxes per this discussion. I've also made the struck-out years smaller for Template:Andorra in the Eurovision Song Contest, so if anyone else has any thoughts on that proposal they can share them now. dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 18:11, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good! I also prefer the scored-out years being smaller and unlinked, I feel it draws focus then towards the years the country participated. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 08:15, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I prefer it too, thanks for the suggestion! dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 10:08, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Language of Yugoslavia songs

I am hesitant to open up the Yugoslavia can of worms again, which has been a bugbear for this project in the past, but there has been some conflict lately regarding the stated language for entries sent by Yugoslavia. For context, I had noticed that entries on the Yugoslavia article had been listed as having been performed in Serbo-Croatian rather than any of the standard varieties Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin (entries in Slovene are clearly exempt from this). In what I believed to be the consensus as described in this talk page section I reverted to using the standard variants established in the 1990s for Yugoslav entries from 1961 to 1992 as outlined on Diggiloo Thrush, however this was quickly opposed and reverted by user Surtsicna, who believed it to be anachronistic. The ensuing conversation between the two of us can be found in this talk page section. I personally have no objection to using Serbo-Croatian for the Yugoslav entries, however there are quite a number of conflicts across Eurovision articles, with some referring to Serbo-Croatian and others referring to the variants as based on the nationality of the performer or the represented constituent republic which won that year's Jugovizija. Although there has been an informal consensus to use Diggiloo Thrush as the basis for languages in Eurovision articles, I feel that a more concrete solution is required that can be enforced as necessary when conflicts arise, as I have no desire to be involved in edit wars in the future. Any comments on this from WikiProject members are greatly welcome. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 19:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

From: Template talk:Esc

Just making the discussion at Template talk:Esc#Make sure the template checks if a page for the specified year exists know here, which I think is a good idea. -- AxG / ✉ 17:27, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Eurovision all cities map

For a long time, I have noticed that the map used in List of host cities of the Eurovision Song Contest (displayed above) is not as it should be. I tried fixing the map about two years ago, but I failed as this file is not up to my expertise. I was hoping that someone would fix it, but the issue has gone unresolved for almost 2 years. Can someone with more expertise fix this file? Otherwise, if the file remains the way it is, there really is no point in using it on the page anymore. Aris Odi ❯❯❯ talk 06:34, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I found the issue and was able to fix the map. If there are any more issues with the map, please let me know. Aris Odi ❯❯❯ talk 03:24, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for figuring out how to correct the file! Per my comment in the file history I removed the inset of Australia given that any editions which may be hosted by Australia will only ever be held in another competing country given the terms of their participation, and as this map is to primarily indicate hosting nations and not participating or winning countries it didn't feel right to include Australia, and would perhaps be misleading to the casual reader. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 21:30, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Aris Odi: thank you for fixing the map! I don't know how to properly edit it but Stockholm is missing. Could you add it please? dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 21:37, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Dummelaksen: Stockholm should be there now. Aris Odi ❯❯❯ talk 00:54, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sims2aholic8: I only added Australia because the darker grey colour indicates countries that have competed but never hosted, however, perhaps the darker grey colour is unnecessary because it is not shown in the map key and in Junior Eurovision Kazakhstan is also not allowed to host but would look strange if it remained in a lighter grey colour. Since this map is as you stated to primarily indicate hosting nations and not participating or winning countries, do you think the map should use only one grey colour? Aris Odi ❯❯❯ talk 00:54, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to make changes to Infobox song contest

I've been thinking really hard about how we could make the "Participants" section on {{Infobox song contest}} more simple for the reader. Here's what I propose:

We change the heading "Participants" to "Participating countries"
We change the labels "Debuting countries", "Returning countries" and "Non-returning countries" to "Debuted", "Returned" and "Became inactive" respectively, and we only add to these labels after the contest has taken place. This way, the labels won't simultaneously be able to appear as "is returning" or "is debuting" but rather only that they DID return or DID debut, which better reflects that the contest has taken place and helps the issue of people adding the countries to these labels too soon. On that note, as I already briefly mentioned, this means that the labels would only be updated once the contest has taken place, rather than when the final list of participants is released, however, I personally believe this practice would be better as it isn't definite that a country will take part until it has actually taken part in a contest that has taken place. Aris Odi ❯❯❯ talk 10:13, 4 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Aris Odi:, I don't like "Became inactive" and "Non-returning countries", but for the other I think it's a good idea. --Esc0fans -and my 12 points go to... 13:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Turkvision 2020

Good morning everyone!!! Have you heard about the Turkvision 2020?? have you made the page???
to answer me, ping me pls, tank you --Esc0fans -and my 12 points go to... 13:05, 18 October 2020 (UTC) @Aris Odi:--Esc0fans -and my 12 points go to... 13:09, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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