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Hello Aelita14. Please note that I have reverted a number of your edits that added flag icons to infoboxes. Per long-standing consensus, flag icons are not used this way. Please see WP:FLAGBIO and Template:Infobox person for a more detailed explanation. Thank you, --Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 19:27, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Nora Fatehi

It would be better if you could provide a source that explicitly says that Nora Fatehi has Moroccan nationality. Laws and extrapolating from that is original research. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:33, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wait, I'll open up a discussion and would try to get a consensus. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Fylindfotberserk:, Hi sorry i didn't see your post before but i did it know.--Aelita14 (talk) 16:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've opened a discussion with an experienced person, lets see what he says. Even then we could search for a source that mentions her Moroccan nationality explicitly. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Fylindfotberserk:, hello I have a license in Moroccan law and I am interested in politics and law especially in Arabic ... I intend soon to write on nora fathi in Arabic like what I did with the article of saad lamjared, dimash kudaibergen , MJ, eminem and others; but here, I was intrigued by the mention of Canadian but not Moroccan, something improbable for a Moroccan personality by default according to the law, the minimum is to mention that she is Canadian of Moroccan origin. according to Moroccan law which mentions I repeat ((((Chapter II: Of the nationality of origin; Article 6: Nationality by parental filiation or by paternal filiation ... is Moroccan, the child born of a Moroccan father or a Moroccan mother.(moroccan law)))) ... while nora was born by two Moroccan parents so by default, she is Moroccan ... the question should not arise, if nora had declared refused Moroccan nationality ... except this is not the case because she dance morrocan, dressed Moroccan, speaks Moroccan and propels Moroccan culture, the press mentions it Moroccan ... so what's the problem ???--Aelita14 (talk) 18:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The source that supported her Moroccan heritage doesn't say anything about her mother/father. All it said that "she has roots in Morocco" and "Her family is Moroccan." We do not want to do WP:OR. There is already a discussion in teh Talk:Nora Fatehi, you should discuss your concerns there. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Loopholes

Hi Aelita14, since we're no longer really discussing Nora Fatehi, I figured I'd reply to your last comment from that article's talk page, but do so here. You said:

"some examples of articles violate rule
so, does this rule apply to all articles or not ???"

and then also said:

"But you should not deny that I alerted to loopholes in the rule"

You appear to be making an assumption that in each of those cases, content exists because the community approved it, vs. it was the choice of one ignorant person and the content never received community scrutiny. Anybody can edit Wikipedia. It would be impossible for the community to approve every piece of data that exists in each of our articles. Thus, just because something exists in Article A, doesn't mean that the community wants it there. If I find trash on the street, does that mean the city wants me to leave trash on the street? No, of course not.

In the Lane Nishikawa article, "Japanese American" was added in this edit, by an anonymous editor at an IP address that was blocked for disruptive editing. This editor may not know about or care about community standards.

In the Daniel Dae Kim article, I notice that "Korean-American" was added in this edit by an anonymous editor with no deep edit history, meaning, they probably aren't aware that ethnicity is not typically something we include in the lede unless the subject is notable for their ethnicity.

It is also significant to point out that our original discussion was about dual citizenship. The phrasing "Japanese-American" and "Korean-American" don't typically describe dual citizenship, they describe ethnicity. A Japanese-American is an American of Japanese ethnicity. A Korean-American is an American of Korean ethnicity. So really, none of these examples are relevant to the discussion we were having. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:14, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cyphoidbomb Hello Sir, I am not making the assumption that the community approved it, since I am also a wiki editor and I know the general procedure but rather I asked a question ... I am experienced in Arabic and French wiki . however, on the English version I rarely intervene so I admit that I have a problem with this rule MOS:CONTEXTBIO. Initially, I was doing a research on nationality, but since I referred to the law of nationality which I compared with several laws according to the articles found, I noticed that the rule does not mention the obligation to respect or even pay attention to the laws related to dual nationality prohibited in certain countries except in cases of exception, bearing they were mentioned in certain articles that I cited (Japan and South Korea were just examples), that's why I found it weird and at the same time tried to share this goodwill information.

Going back to the examples I mentioned Sir, at first I leaned on them when writing (Moroccan-Canadian: a Canadian of Moroccan origin), but it was rejected citing the need for sources, so I relied on blood law, however, our colleague once again refused declaring a violation to the rule citing that the person's ethnicity should not appear in the introduction ... so for lack of sources, and of time I have understood that, the article will ask me for a lot of research which currently I cannot grant ... I thought that maybe the rule was approved by the English community, to banish and protect against racism linked to religion, ethnicity, and others.

but what I do not understand, why the possession of several nationalitys can be problematic in the introduction for the rule MOS:CONTEXTBIO and here I am not talking about Nora ... but rather other experiences on others personality articles which have acquired several nationalities but which I cannot mention even if I have reliable sources, with their confessions, under penalty of seeing my modifications refused because they violate this rule which is modified according to the understanding of each one. For example, I had a list of celebrities with multiple nationalities that the English version does not mention, and even though these people publicly confess this, even though I have sources of this, I know that all my edits are going to be denied in the introduction of the article because of the rules in the English version.

like Natalie Portman, Jim Carrey, Charlize Theron, Kim Cattrall etc. I tried to mention the nationality of the artists in the introduction ... I tried with Khaled and Faudel with sources, The matter created a great controversy in Algeria due to the sensitivity relations with Morocco and I knew that once I wrote the matter in their article or any article in which Algeria and Morocco are a party, it will create a problem and this is what happened. and as predicted it was refused twice, you can see it (here)

  • Khaled Singer married to a Moroccan citizen and has been living with his family in Morocco for years. He obtained Moroccan nationality by virtue of a royal decree in 2013 and announced this on France 24 and these sources (officiel Source p43) (Source 2) (Source 3)
  • Faudel Singer married to a Moroccan citizen and has lived in Morocco for years. He also obtained Moroccan nationality according to a royal decree, and he declared that he is proud of that and these sources (Source 1), (Source 2), (Source 3)

the articles at the bottom have several nationalities but it is not mentioned in the english version and I cannot even think of modifying it for the same reasons.

anyway sir sorry to bother you and thank you for the exchange. --Aelita14 (talk) 04:12, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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