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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Mutaeditor (talk | contribs) at 21:19, 28 August 2021. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

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August 2021

Information icon Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to Tenor horn, did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. The text you placed is not maybe fitting for an encyclopedia. You can find info at Wikipedia:Manual of Style. The placement of the text was not ideal. Galebazz (talk) 16:00, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive editing.

If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, as you did at Tenor horn, you may be blocked from editing. Galebazz (talk) 16:01, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Information icon Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be repeatedly reverting or undoing other editors' contributions at Tenor horn. Although this may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is known as "edit warring" and is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, as it often creates animosity between editors. Instead of reverting, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

If editors continue to revert to their preferred version they are likely to lose their editing privileges on that page. This isn't done to punish an editor, but to prevent the disruption caused by edit warring. In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Edit warring on Wikipedia is not acceptable in any amount, and violating the three-revert rule is very likely to result in loss of your editing privileges.

Here is a more formal and perhaps more thorough warning about edit-warring and our 3RR rule. I am sorry to bombard you with information but I hope that this is clearer, as well as forming a more "official" part of how things work here. Thanks! DBaK (talk) 19:43, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Language variation

Hi. Before you make any more changes to Tenor horn, please have a careful read of WP:ENGVAR which explains how Wikipedia accommodates language variations. Your statement There is no such thing as “tenor horn” in E-flat is simply untrue in the UK amongst other places and in the tone of voice of the whole article, which deals quite neatly with the varying names of the instrument we are discussing. We know there is a problem with names for these instruments inter alia; we get it; it is a pain in the arse but we try to work together to make it make sense. Edit-warring to try to impose your preferred version is a very, very bad idea: you would do much better to go to the article's Talk page and start a discussion, trying to build consensus for changes that you would like. But, seriously, please don't just make the same changes yet again - we have rules which make it a very unwise approach for you. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 19:39, 28 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Tenor horn has been reverted.
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My contribution to article Tenor Horn is being continuously erased

Dear Coordinators,

I agree that my first few attempts to edit a section in the site named "Tenor Horn" were disruptive, due to my indignation. But after I read your alerts to me, I crafted my last version which is pasted below. It too was erased, which implies that no matter what I post on the theme of Tenor Horn, they will keep erasing it, because someone is irritated with the fact that I am expressing a different opinion. Freedom of expression can always be suppressed under the pretext of "offensive language". Please, tell me what is disruptive or offensive in the paragraph below:

"The tenor horn (It. Corno di tenore; Ger. Bassflugelhorn) – it is an instrument in B-flat. Tenors and baritones are alike, they are both in B-flat, have the same range, and may substitute for each other. The difference lies in the slightly larger bore of the baritone, which also affects the timbre. The tenor horn shall not be confused with an alto horn (It. Flicorno alto; Ger. Althorn), which is in E-flat and much smaller in size. The latter corresponds to the French horn in E-flat, still traditionally used on some European wind orchestras. To summarize, the tenor and baritone horns correspond to the tenor/baritone voice in the choir, while the alto horn corresponds to the alto voice. A short informative video from the Prince Regent’s Band: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78qCc9xk18Q"

Off record, it is truly astounding that a musician should confuse the alto horn with the tenor horn. These are two quite different instruments in key, size and function, and it is only in the US where the Alto horn is called "a Tenor horn" due to a deep confusion, unverified practical use in scores, etc. The truth shall be learned quickly from the source where these instruments came (Europe) as well as from numerous older and current scores for wind orchestras. As soon as you open a score for a fairly good size orchestra (German, Russian, British, Eastern European, etc.), you will see "Tenors in Si-bemol (B-flat) written in it. The German term for Tenor horn is not "Althorn" as wrongly claimed in the Wikipedia, but "Bassflugelhorn", and the Italian term is "Corno di tenore". On the other hand, the "Althorn" is in E-flat, fairly smaller in size and corresponds to the French horn in function. Indeed, there is no such thing as "tenor horn in E-flat" and this term is a real shame; it does not do justice to Wikipedia but is a solid blow on its reputation. If you do not believe me, make a thorough investigation by opening scores and talking to European and British musicians who play those instruments, and/or conduct wind orchestras.

Thanks for your attention. I wish you well, and I look forward to hearing from you. I hope you will allow the officially quoted passage in the beginning to be inserted into the Tenor horn article. If not, I wish you well, and I will know better about your attitude to "freedom of expression". For some people this freedom evaporates at the moment they feel "offended' on behalf of a precious belief or theoretical concept. But the truth shall become known sooner or later.

Best regards,

Mutaeditor

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