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I've listed this article for peer review because, in short, I intend to bring it to FA status. I brought this to GA status in February 2021, and since then I have been cleaning it up and expanding it even more. I am aware a lot of work needs to be done, but I am prepared to do whatever it takes. Specifically, it would be nice if the lead, plot, and characters sections could be reviewed.
Thanks, Link20XX (talk) 22:47, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
A general issue I find in this article is that most of these paragraphs are quite small. Imagine Wikipedia as a formal letter. The genre could also be mentioned in the lead section too.Tintor2 (talk) 23:06, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Added a genre to the lead. Also expanded some of the paragraphs a bit. I will expand the rest in a bit. Link20XX (talk) 23:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
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- Pinging some users, if you all could leave a comment it would be helpful. Lullabying, 0qd, Thuyhung2112, Morgan695. Link20XX (talk) 13:33, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- If you intend to take this to FA, I think the Development section needs some expansion. Are there interviews with the manga artist and/or creative team behind the anime discussing inspiration, production, etc. that can be incorporated? I imagine most of this material would be in Japanese, and probably in print publications. If they exist, fan-translated copies these interviews might be a good starting point, though you would of course need to source the actual interview if you intend to cite them in the article and cross-reference with the original interview to ensure the translation is accurate. Morgan695 (talk) 19:32, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, aside from what is present in the article, there isn't much I can find. Arakawa didn't write any afterward sections and the only other interviews with him I could find are from Operation Rainfall, which describes itself as a website run by unpaid, uncredited volunteers (here) and Anime Herald, which is having its reliability questioned at the talk page of WP:A&M/ORS. Neither of them also really contain anything that I haven't added from other sources. As far as the anime, I recently found this Comic Natalie interview with the director, which I will likely be incorporating soon. Unfortunately, I can't really find much more than that. Link20XX (talk) 20:39, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
- Morgan695, Anyway, thanks for the advice. Anything else to say about the article? Link20XX (talk) 02:52, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
- If you intend to take this to FA, I think the Development section needs some expansion. Are there interviews with the manga artist and/or creative team behind the anime discussing inspiration, production, etc. that can be incorporated? I imagine most of this material would be in Japanese, and probably in print publications. If they exist, fan-translated copies these interviews might be a good starting point, though you would of course need to source the actual interview if you intend to cite them in the article and cross-reference with the original interview to ensure the translation is accurate. Morgan695 (talk) 19:32, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
Comments by Z1720
[edit]Hi Link20XX, it's been over a month since this PR's last comment. Are you still interested in keeping this open? Z1720 (talk) 21:51, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- You can close it. I was hoping for more comments, but that is unlikely at this point. Link20XX (talk) 23:47, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that you did not get as many responses as you would have liked. A great way to get more comments on your articles is to also review articles; editors like it when people review and are more likely to help you out if you are helping others. I also encourage you to continue reviewing articles at FAC; it takes at least 5 reviews for an FAC to be promoted so I try to review 5 articles for every article I nominate. Reviewing also helps you understand the FAC criteria and what reviewers are looking for in your nomination. Please let me know if you have any questions. Z1720 (talk) 02:36, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- You can always choose to keep this open and ask for feedback in Wikiprojects and from editors who have created similar articles. Since this is a PR, it is not considered canvassing to ask for opinions. If you choose to still close the PR, please ensure that it is also removed from Template:FAC peer review sidebar. Z1720 (talk) 02:37, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- I guess I will try asking around a bit more, though I'm not sure what kind of commentary I could give in a WP:FAC. WP:ANIME currently has only 9 FAs and new ones are rarely nominated, and I don't know how qualified I am in other areas. Link20XX (talk) 05:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Link20XX: Every FAC needs at least one non-expert to review and support the nomination in order to be promoted. The non-expert is tasked with reviewing for WP:JARGON and to ensure that the article can be understood by non-expert readers. Also, non-experts can still look at reference formatting, image suitability and formatting concerns. When I review articles I am unfamiliar with, I make a note at the top that I am a non-expert reviewer so that the FAC co-ordinators know that I am reviewing from that perspective. I highly suggest that you jump on in and review non-expert articles. Z1720 (talk) 18:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- Alright. While you are here, care to leave any comments on this article? Link20XX (talk) 23:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'll do a quick skim because I'm supposed to be doing something in real life, but procrastinating here...
- Your characters section is quite long. Is it necessary to list all of them?
- Refs need to be in numerical order (eg "with Kendo to help depict the tension at competitions.[10][9]")
- Your media section is divided into numerous short paragraphs. Per MOS:OVERSECTION these shorter sections should be merged together. Perhaps Stage play and Musical can be merged into a section called "Stage adaptations" and the light novel section can possibly be merged with the manga section.
- "The light novel retold the events of the main series from Kōsei's friends' and rivals' perspectives." This might need a citation.
- Is this article about the manga series (print) or the anime series (TV/movie)? The article should pick one, write about that, and then establish another article for other medium if notable. This is especially relevant in the reception section, where only one medium's reception should be given.
- Ref 76 links to medium.com, which is not considered a reliable source on Wikipedia.
- Those are my thoughts. I hope they are helpful. Z1720 (talk) 23:34, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- One last thought: The Heart of Thomas is a recently passed FA that I think is in the same category as this article. I suggest reading this and structuring your article along a similar structure. Z1720 (talk) 23:36, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'll do a quick skim because I'm supposed to be doing something in real life, but procrastinating here...
- Alright. While you are here, care to leave any comments on this article? Link20XX (talk) 23:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Link20XX: Every FAC needs at least one non-expert to review and support the nomination in order to be promoted. The non-expert is tasked with reviewing for WP:JARGON and to ensure that the article can be understood by non-expert readers. Also, non-experts can still look at reference formatting, image suitability and formatting concerns. When I review articles I am unfamiliar with, I make a note at the top that I am a non-expert reviewer so that the FAC co-ordinators know that I am reviewing from that perspective. I highly suggest that you jump on in and review non-expert articles. Z1720 (talk) 18:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- I guess I will try asking around a bit more, though I'm not sure what kind of commentary I could give in a WP:FAC. WP:ANIME currently has only 9 FAs and new ones are rarely nominated, and I don't know how qualified I am in other areas. Link20XX (talk) 05:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments, will address them soon. Link20XX (talk) 23:47, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- Alright, and thanks again for the comments. Removed the medium.com source (thought it was interesting for a musician's perspective on the series but its unreliable). I also fixed the ordering of some of the references and merged the sections, though on the topic of what it is about, I used the FA Naruto as a base for how to create and format that part of the article, since both are large franchises. The Heart of Thomas never got a full anime adaptation so it isn't quite the same situation. Link20XX (talk) 23:59, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oh and regarding that line about the light novel, I would say it falls under MOS:PLOTSOURCE since its just a summary and not referring to any specific lines. Link20XX (talk) 00:05, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- If this article is about a series, which includes a manga and an anime, then that needs to be stated in the first sentence. This allows the reader to know that this is an overarching article about all aspects of this manga. By mentioning the comic in the first paragraph, then the anime in the second, it confuses me (as a non-expert) about what this article is about. Z1720 (talk) 00:12, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I am a bit confused with that comment. The anime is simply an adaptation, the manga was the original story, but anyway admittedly I'm not quite sure what you are suggesting. The aforementioned Naruto article does a lead in the same way. Link20XX (talk) 03:41, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Link20XX: Sorry for the confusion, I think I am getting my terminology mixed up. When I did my original skim, I thought this was an article about a printed book because the picture in the infobox is of a book cover, and the first line says, "a Japanese romantic drama manga (comic) series", which makes me think of Western comics like Garfield. I think the first line of the article needs to be clear that this is about the series as a whole and not a book/printed series. For example, the first line could say "Your Lie in April (Japanese: 四月は君の嘘, Hepburn: Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso) is a Japanese romantic drama manga series written and illustrated by Naoshi Arakawa. The series includes a serialized comic manga, an anime television show and stage adaptations." Again, my terminology might be wrong so the example sentence might need to be fixed. Z1720 (talk) 14:10, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback! I tried my best to implement it. Link20XX (talk) 14:16, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Link20XX: Sorry for the confusion, I think I am getting my terminology mixed up. When I did my original skim, I thought this was an article about a printed book because the picture in the infobox is of a book cover, and the first line says, "a Japanese romantic drama manga (comic) series", which makes me think of Western comics like Garfield. I think the first line of the article needs to be clear that this is about the series as a whole and not a book/printed series. For example, the first line could say "Your Lie in April (Japanese: 四月は君の嘘, Hepburn: Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso) is a Japanese romantic drama manga series written and illustrated by Naoshi Arakawa. The series includes a serialized comic manga, an anime television show and stage adaptations." Again, my terminology might be wrong so the example sentence might need to be fixed. Z1720 (talk) 14:10, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I am a bit confused with that comment. The anime is simply an adaptation, the manga was the original story, but anyway admittedly I'm not quite sure what you are suggesting. The aforementioned Naruto article does a lead in the same way. Link20XX (talk) 03:41, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- If this article is about a series, which includes a manga and an anime, then that needs to be stated in the first sentence. This allows the reader to know that this is an overarching article about all aspects of this manga. By mentioning the comic in the first paragraph, then the anime in the second, it confuses me (as a non-expert) about what this article is about. Z1720 (talk) 00:12, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Z1720: As someone far more experienced in the FA process, would you say that in the current state of the article, is it ready for a nomination? It has been cleaned up more since you last looked. Link20XX (talk) 03:00, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi Link20XX, here are some additional comments:
- "Two years later, Kōsei has not touched the piano and views the world in monochrome," Wikilink monochrome
- "He resigns himself to living out his life with his good friends Tsubaki and Watari," This sentence can be reworded I think. Is Kosei actually living with his friends, or is this sentence saying that he is doing activities that don't involve playing the piano?
- "until one day, a girl changes everything: Kaori Miyazono, an audacious, free-spirited, fourteen-year-old violinist whose playing style reflects her manic personality." This should be reworded. Maybe, "One day, he hears a violinist, Kaori Miyazono, playing her instrument in a manic style."
- "She helps Kōsei return to the music world" How does he return to the music world? Is he playing his piano again? Attending concerts? This should be more specific.
- "Later, Kaori suddenly collapses after a moving performance and is hospitalised." -> "During a performance, Kaori collapses and is hospitalised."
- "At first, Kaori says that she is anaemic and just needs some routine testing. Kaori is later discharged and back to her happy self, inviting Kōsei to play at a Gala with her." -> "Kaori says that she is anaemic and needs routine testing, and is later discharged. She invited Kosei to play at a Gala with her."
- " However, Kaori fails to show up on the day of the Gala, and as her health deteriorates, she becomes dejected. Kōsei plays a duet with Nagi Aiza, in the hope of motivating her." Does Kaori eventually arrive at the Gala? Also, who is Nagi Aiza?
- "After listening to it, Kaori opts for a risky surgery that may kill her if it fails, just so that she can play with him one more time." -> The duet motivates Kaori to attempt a risky surgery that might kill her in order to possibly play with Kosei one more time.
- "that she has died during the surgery." Remove has
- The information in the characters section is too detailed. Give a brief introduction to who the characters are, and let the plot section expand upon who these characters are, if appropriate. Perhaps one sentence per character, maybe two. See Heart of Thomas for an idea of how long this section should be.
- "When Naoshi Arakawa first wanted to be a manga artist, he entered a one-shot comic in the Monthly Shōnen Magazine Grand Challenge." Describe this one-shot comic. What similarities did it have to Your Lie in April?
- "After finishing Sayonara, Football, he wanted to try something new, even saying he was "bored" of sports manga." An introduction of his previous work is necessary, maybe "He started writing full-length manga focused on sports, creating Sayonara Football."
- "In order to differentiate it from Nodame Cantabile, another manga with a classical music theme, he decided to focus on only one instrument instead of an entire orchestra." -> "To differentiate it from Nodame Cantabile, another manga with a classical music theme, he focused his work on one instrument instead of an entire orchestra."
- "Because he knew nothing about classical music before he created the series, he interviewed musicians Akinori Osawa, Masanori Sugano, Kaori Yamazaki, and Rieko Ikeda, as well as using his experience with Kendo to help depict the tension at competitions." -> "He interviewed musicians Akinori Osawa, Masanori Sugano, Kaori Yamazaki, and Rieko Ikeda to help his descriptions of classical music. He used his experience with Kendo to inspire his depiction of the tension at competitions."
- "For what instrument to focus on, he recalled seeing a female violinist on television, which inspired him to do the same in the story." -> Arakawa focused on the violin as an instrument after seeing a female violinist perform on television."
- "Also in the original version of the story, Kaori and Tsubaki's roles were reversed, with Kaori being the sporty-type, and Tsubaki being a violinist." Delete Also
- "The ending was something he originally wasn't sure about doing, however, after volume three was published in Japan, they received an anime offer." "After volume three was published in Japan, he received an offer to develop the manga into an anime. Arakawa was unsure about the ending of his work, but the director of the anime, Kyōhei Ishiguro, stated that he liked the ending so Arakawa did not change it."
- The Anime section should include information on which studio developed the anime and how/when they obtained the rights to the manga.
- When adapting the series into an anime, director Kyōhei Ishiguro stated that they wanted the series to appeal to more than just anime fans. As a result, they chose the bands Goose House and Wacci to perform the opening and ending themes respectively, since each band had little to no prior experience with anime." -> Director Kyōhei Ishiguro stated that he wanted the series to appeal to people who did not traditionally watch anime, so he chose bands Goose House and Wacci to perform the opening and closing themes respectively since they had little experience with anime."
- "When it came to the second opening" -> "For the second opening"
- "When deciding how to make the anime, Ishiguro decided to use real locations to represent the various settings in the series." -> Ishiguro used real locations to represent various settings in the series.
- "Since Arakawa had previously used several locations along the Seibu Line," Were these locations used in the Your Lie in April manga book?
- "The light novel retold the events of the main series from Kōsei's friends' and rivals' perspectives." This needs a citation
- "7!!." Is the period part of this band's name? If not, per MOS:CONSECUTIVE
- The anime section in media focuses a lot on who created the music for the anime. Is there other information to put in this section?
- "and directed by Takehiko Shinjō.[53][5] " Put refs in numerical order.
- "The film was released in Japan in September 2016. It was written by Yukari Tatsui, and directed by Takehiko Shinjō." Flip these sentences so it is chronological
- "In the May 2017 issue of Monthly Shōnen Magazine, it was announced that a stage play adaptation of the manga was in production, with its release set for August of the same year." Avoid information about the announcement. Instead, state facts about what happened in a definitive voice. For example, instead of saying who was announced to play the various roles, state who played the roles in the stage play.
- "Its music was composed by Frank Wildhorn at the helm," Delete at the helm. If others helped him write the music, then state that.
- "Following the Tokyo premiere, the adaptation would have had a national tour with stops" The dates and locations of the canceled tour are too much detail. Instead, state that a national tour was planned, but it was canceled due to COVID-19
- What makes Taykoban a high-quality reliable source? I am skeptical that Matt does not have a last name listed. See WP:FACS for more details.
- What makes the Manga Revue a high-quality source?
- What makes Experiments in Manga a high-quality source?
- The reception section falls into the "X said Y" pattern. Consider combining reviews into one sentence, stating that it is a critical reception. See WP:CRS for guidance.
Those are my thoughts. Z1720 (talk) 15:08, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Z1720: Much thanks for the additional thoughts! I addressed all of them except "The Anime section should include information on which studio developed the anime and how/when they obtained the rights to the manga", "Since Arakawa had previously used several locations along the Seibu Line," Were these locations used in the Your Lie in April manga book?", and "The anime section in media focuses a lot on who created the music for the anime. Is there other information to put in this section?", and I have yet to address reception. As for why the sources are reliable: Experiments in Manga: The review is written by Ash Brown, who works as a professional librarian (link) and also frequently writes for Manga Bookshelf, which is considered a reliable source by WP:ANIME (discussion). He has also been cited by Anime News Network (link). Manga Revue: Website is run by Katherine Dacey, who worked as an editor for Pop Culture Shock (considered reliable by WP:ANIME), and has been a panelist at New York Comic Con and WonderCon. She has also written for School Library Journal and written a book about manga published by Dark Horse Comics (source). As for Taykoban, another user below also has concerns, so I am okay with removing it. If a replacement is necessary, I found this from Kotaku, which is considered reliable by WP:VGRS. Link20XX (talk) 02:57, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- FAC uses a higher bar than as a "reliable source". The sources provided must be of the highest-quality possible. When this question is asked at FAC, citing the editorial policies of the news organisation, the editorial policies of the publisher, and the credentials of the author are the best routes to take. I will address specific points below, which are my opinion:
- Working as a professional librarian does not help their credentials as an expert in this field. ::*I am not sure that a citation by Anime News Network brings Brown to the status of a high-quality source.
- What is the editorial policy of Manga Revue?
- I am not sure if being a Comic-Con panelist is a good argument for high-quality.
- Kotaku looks like a high-quality reliable source, as they have a masthead on their website, so I encourage their use.
- I suggest looking at previous manga FACs and checking if these sources were challenged and kept. Looking at the nominator's explanation of their high quality will help craft the arguments that can be used in this FAC. Also check the arguments made at WP:VGRS that determined that these websites were reliable, as they can help explain the editorial policy of the source. Z1720 (talk) 03:14, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- As for Brown, he is a frequent writer for Manga Bookshelf (a reliable source by WP:ANIME) and has some WP:USEBYOTHERS. Manga Revue is also a one-person blog site, so that is the editorial policy. While Comic-Con panelist may not be a great argument, writing a book about manga published by a major comics publisher and writing for a notable publication both sound like good claims of reliability to me. In addition, upon doing some research into the writer of the Kotaku piece, he has also written multiple reviews for Anime News Network (1, 2). Link20XX (talk) 03:49, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- FAC uses a higher bar than as a "reliable source". The sources provided must be of the highest-quality possible. When this question is asked at FAC, citing the editorial policies of the news organisation, the editorial policies of the publisher, and the credentials of the author are the best routes to take. I will address specific points below, which are my opinion:
- @Z1720: Sorry for the lack of updates regarding progress and thanks so much for your comments. As for progress, I have removed the references to Taykoban and did my attempt at re-writing reception. I will be incorporating the Kotaku ref and a review of the anime I found in the April 2015 issue of Otaku USA soon. On another topic, I have added a bit to the development of the anime regarding rights to adapt it, and may expand it a bit more with more interviews I found recently. As for your other questions, I reworded the bit about the Seibu line as I couldn't find sources to back that locations were actually used in the series. As for the anime section of media, (as I am sure you are well aware by now) the series has a very heavy focus on music. The media section just addresses the staff and other basic information about a work, which in this case includes a lot about the music since that is a big part of the work. As for the plot section, you asked who Nagi Aiza is, but she has an entry in the character list below, which I believe is sufficient. Finally, I also recently found that Katherine Dacey's reviews have also been mentioned in The New York Times (link). Once again, thank you so much for your great help and many comments! Ping me for any questions or further comments. Link20XX (talk) 04:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi Link20XX, this PR has been open since June and hasn't received a comment since September 19 (almost a month ago). Normally PRs are not open this long, especially when they have received this many comments and haven't been active in a month. Are you still actively seeking reviewers, or do you think it's ready for its FAC? Z1720 (talk) 22:25, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Z1720: I would say I'm done actively seeking reviewers. If I may ask, can you do one more brief look over before this is closed? Link20XX (talk) 01:48, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Here's a second look:
- The lede doesn't have any information on the inspiration or development of the original manga series. I would include this.
- "He resigns himself to living out his life and often spending time with his good friends Tsubaki and Watari," -> He does not focus on excelling on any activities and often spends time with his friends, Tsubaki and Watari."
- "until one day, a girl changes everything: Kaori Miyazono, an audacious, free-spirited, fourteen-year-old violinist whose playing style reflects her manic personality." -> He meets Kaori Miyazono, an audacious, free-spirited, fourteen-year-old violinist whose playing style reflects her manic personality.
- "shows him that it should be free and groundbreaking, " -> and shows him that his style of playing the instrument can be free and groundbreaking
- "Later during a performance," Delete later
- "However, Kaori fails to show up at the Gala," Delete However
- "Kōsei plays a duet with Nagi Aiza," Who is Nagi Aiza?
- "Tsubaki comforts Kōsei and tells him that she will be by his side for the rest of her life." For the rest of his life?
- "even saying he was "bored" of sports manga." Delete even
- "Also, the standing positions of Kaori and Tsubaki (a childhood friend of Kōsei and a sports girl) were exactly the opposite." This felt a little like a random detail that can be expanded upon.
- "Following the rejection, Saitō was able to change his offer to 22 episodes, which Tateishi accepted." -> Saito changed his offer to 22 episodes, which Tateishi accepted
- "Saitō decided to offer the role of director" -> Saito offered the role of director
- "When adapting the manga into an anime, Ishiguro stated that he wanted the series " -> "Ishiguro wanted the anime series"
- "Ishiguro wanted a song that would have a "colorful melody" to match the theme of the animation. As a result, he chose to use the band Coalamode." -> Ishiguro wanted a song that would have a "colorful melody" to match the theme of the animation and chose the band Coalamode to perform the theme.
- Per MOS:DATECOMMA there should be a comma after the years in "from October 10, 2014 to March 20, 2015"
- "(光るなら, lit. If You Will Shine)" suggest using Template:abbr for lit
- "An original video animation (OVA), titled moments," Should moments be capitalised?
- "was in the works." -> was in development
- "October 10, 2019, a musical adaptation of the manga" -> October 10, 2019, that a musical adaptation of the manga
- "criticizing Kaori as mean and calling her acts toward Kōsei hard to read.[65][63]" Put refs in numerical order
- I would consider merging the first three paragraphs of the reception section, as right now they are short paragraphs. However, others might disagree so you may want to wait until the FAC
- "ultimately stating" delete ultimately
- "UK News also praised the plot" delete also
- "Chris Homer from the same website as Beveridge praised them" -> Chris Homer from TFP praised them. It's shorter and I don't need to look at the previous paragraph to find this information.
- I recommend archiving the websites in the references section.
Those are my thoughts. Z1720 (talk) 15:01, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Z1720: Big thanks for all your comments on this PR. I did all of the minor adjustments and added a bit in the lead about the manga's development and archived all the urls. As for Nagi Aiza, I replaced that with "a friend" because there really isn't an easy way to introduce her. As for the bit about the characters having switched places, that was related to the one-shot and has been there since before I expanded the bit about the one-shot. I removed it since the one-shot is already discussed quite a bit earlier in the section. Link20XX (talk) 22:00, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Once again, thank you for your very helpful comments. As it is now, do you think it is ready for WP:FAC? If you think it is, I will be happy to close this and nominate it. Link20XX (talk) 02:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- I took another skim: Reception falls into the X says Y trap. I suggest reading WP:RECEPTION to vary the sentence structures. Please ping me when that's sorted and I will do a copyedit of the reception section. Once that is done I think it's ready. Z1720 (talk) 03:09, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Z1720: Apologies for the delay, but I have completed my first attempt at re-writing the section to remove a said b. Link20XX (talk) 23:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- In order to speed up this nomination, I also did a copy-edit. Please review my edits to ensure I did not accidently change the meaning of anything (particularly animation vs. anime) Z1720 (talk) 23:34, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Looks fine. I can't see any major errors. Link20XX (talk) 23:37, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think I have any other concerns. Z1720 (talk) 23:41, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- Looks fine. I can't see any major errors. Link20XX (talk) 23:37, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- In order to speed up this nomination, I also did a copy-edit. Please review my edits to ensure I did not accidently change the meaning of anything (particularly animation vs. anime) Z1720 (talk) 23:34, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Z1720: Apologies for the delay, but I have completed my first attempt at re-writing the section to remove a said b. Link20XX (talk) 23:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
- I took another skim: Reception falls into the X says Y trap. I suggest reading WP:RECEPTION to vary the sentence structures. Please ping me when that's sorted and I will do a copyedit of the reception section. Once that is done I think it's ready. Z1720 (talk) 03:09, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Once again, thank you for your very helpful comments. As it is now, do you think it is ready for WP:FAC? If you think it is, I will be happy to close this and nominate it. Link20XX (talk) 02:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
Comments by Shooterwalker
[edit]- Going to work my way through this article, focused mostly on the prose. Feel free to WP:IGNORE any of these suggestions if they don't improve the article.
- Lead
- Consider splitting the first sentence into two sentences. It's always good to hook the reader with a clear and simple phrase, and offer more detail after.
- "The series has also been adapted into a stage play, a light novel, and it is also set to be adapted into a musical, which is set to premiere in May 2022 following a delay." -> "The series has also been adapted into a stage play, a light novel, and an upcoming musical, which is set to premiere in May 2022." (parallelism / structure)
- "Several factors influenced how the series came to be, including several locations" -> "The series was influenced by several locations" (shorter and clearer)
- "The manga series received some positive and some mixed reviews" -> "The manga series received mixed reviews" (mixed reviews means some positive reviews)
- Plot
- "Piano prodigy Kōsei Arima dominates various music competitions and becomes famous among child musicians" -> "Piano prodigy Kōsei Arima becomes a famous child musician after winning several music competitions."
- "a girl changes everything. Kaori Miyazono," -> "a girl changes everything: Kaori Miyazono,"
- "mold-breaking" -> "groundbreaking"
- "Later, while performing together, Kaori suddenly collapses after a moving performance and is hospitalised." -> "Later, Kaori suddenly collapses after a moving performance together and is hospitalised." (is it while performing together, or after performing together? can't be both.)
- "but this is revealed to be a lie." -> you could maybe remove this. it breaks the chronology a bit.
- Characters
- This section is generally well written, but do consider whether you need such a detailed list of characters. Compare other good articles: Ghost in the Shell (1995 film), Spirited Away, Howl's Moving Castle (film)
- Development
- "one-shot" -> "one-shot comic" (for those who aren't familiar with the terminology)
- "Despite him having previously pitched a music manga, only for it to be turned down" -> "despite his previous music manga pitch getting turned down,"
- "The classical music theme was chosen because Beck was very popular at the time, and that was not a series he wanted to compete with. Since Beck focuses on rock music, a classical theme was chosen." -> "Concerned about competing with the popular series Beck, which focuses on rock music, he decided the new manga would focus on classical music."
- the proper nouns "Goose House" and "Coalamode" are unclear, and it might be useful to describe them. e.g.: "musician Goose House", "rock band Coalamode", or whatever is appropriate, since it's unclear who they are. (You also go into this later, and you don't need to say it twice. I prefer the second phrasing.)
- "to represent the locals in the series" -> I think you mean "locales", but "settings" would also be appropriate.
- Media
- "The series is licensed in English in North America by Kodansha USA." -> this phrasing is a little unclear. Maybe, "The series was translated to English by Kodansha USA, for North American release."
- "doing the scripts" -> "writing the scripts"
- "green-lit" -> I understand what this means, but this might be WP:JARGON
- "and stars" -> "starring"
- "Following the Tokyo premiere, it would have national tour with" -> "Following the Tokyo premiere, the adaptation would have a national tour with"
- Reception
- Does Matt have a last name? Is Taykoban a reliable source, if we don't even know the names of the authors?
- Having a quote every sentence is probably overdoing it on the quotes. Some of the less important quotes could be summarized in your own words. See WP:MOSQUOTE.
- "from the same website as Aries" / "from the same website as Martin" -> is there a clearer way to attribute this to its source? Hopefully a reliable source?
- "a bit of criticism" -> "some criticism"
- The paragraph about characters in the Anime section uses the word "characters" a lot of times in a row.
- "ultimately rating the anime four stars instead of three due to it" -> why instead of three? Could we just say four stars, or is there a clearer way to explain this?
- which award from the Sugoi Japan Awards?
- The article is in generally good shape and with these changes will be closer to what you might see at a good article. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:52, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Shooterwalker: Thanks for the comments! I addressed most of them as much as I could. As for the characters, I would say a list with a bit of detail is best per MOS:A&M "Page layout for a series article" section. As for Taykoban, I used it since their reviews of Your Lie in April were quoted by Kodansha USA on the back of their release of Sayonara, Football (another manga series by the same author). Any other comments? Link20XX (talk) 03:54, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- No major comments. Perhaps you use the word "praise" too often in the last paragraph, but it is tricky to find appropriate substitutes. I'm still a little hesitant about "Matt from Taykoban" as a source, and the character section is out of step with other anime good articles. But all of those can be worked on through the ordinary editing process, let alone a WP:FA review if and when you're ready. The article looks better on the whole. Great job! Shooterwalker (talk) 12:20, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! Will do more work in the near-future. Link20XX (talk) 14:56, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry for the very-late comment, but I wanted to ask if you have any more comments now that I have finished creating articles for more of the staff for the anime adaptation. Link20XX (talk) 03:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! Will do more work in the near-future. Link20XX (talk) 14:56, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- No major comments. Perhaps you use the word "praise" too often in the last paragraph, but it is tricky to find appropriate substitutes. I'm still a little hesitant about "Matt from Taykoban" as a source, and the character section is out of step with other anime good articles. But all of those can be worked on through the ordinary editing process, let alone a WP:FA review if and when you're ready. The article looks better on the whole. Great job! Shooterwalker (talk) 12:20, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Shooterwalker: Thanks for the comments! I addressed most of them as much as I could. As for the characters, I would say a list with a bit of detail is best per MOS:A&M "Page layout for a series article" section. As for Taykoban, I used it since their reviews of Your Lie in April were quoted by Kodansha USA on the back of their release of Sayonara, Football (another manga series by the same author). Any other comments? Link20XX (talk) 03:54, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Comments by kettleonwater
[edit]I don't really have much to give back, but I felt like I should leave something since you did peer review on my article.
- Overall
- Might be a personal thing, but I find mentioning the full title (at least at the start of sections) to be less awkward than "the X of the series" that seems to be here a lot.
- For example in Reception: "Matt from Taykoban gave the plot of the series praise..." -> "Matt from Taykoban gave the plot of Your Lie in April praise...".
- Admittedly this is my opinion, but I am not the biggest fan of repeatedly mentioning the title over and over again. I assume most readers know the series by the article title and lead, so that feels a bit unnatural to me.
- For example in Reception: "Matt from Taykoban gave the plot of the series praise..." -> "Matt from Taykoban gave the plot of Your Lie in April praise...".
- Development
- Perhaps you could expand the "Anime" section a little more? Judging by the tone of the article (and what I know), the anime is the more acclaimed, notable and well known of the two, yet this section only mentions OP and ED context and real-life backgrounds. Did anything more of note happen during production?
- Unfortunately, I couldn't find any more relevant information or interviews to help.
- Media
- "While the manga received a bit of criticism, the anime adaptation was largely acclaimed by critics" -> For conciseness and since criticism of the manga has already been stated, "In contrast to the manga, the anime adaptation was largely acclaimed by critics".
- Done.
That's about it! This looks like a very good article, and cause of that I don't really have much else to add that hasn't already been said. Kettleonwater (talk) 13:01, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Kettleonwater: Much thanks for your comments! I replied to them individually above. Link20XX (talk) 01:27, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Comments from ProtoDrake
[edit]I'll give my two-penny on this.
- I know it may not be standard or expected usually, but the biography bits in the Characters section
- The Reception section is rather broken in style due to the short paragraphs, but given the situation this might be something beyond fixing.
The Penguin Random House links, are they suitable? Is that the book's Western publisher? If you're using a book store, it's better to use the store page of the publisher themselves, but I'm not sure how that would do in an FAR.
- This may simply be a stylistic choice, but the use of the same citation multiple times on individual sentences within the same paragraph without other citations to break the flow looks clumsy.
- Make sure all links are archived.
That's what stood out. --ProtoDrake (talk) 15:56, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- @ProtoDrake: Thanks for the comments. As for reception, I will see what I can do, but like you said, it may be difficult to expand the paragraphs. As for Penguin Random House, they are the distributor for the actual English publisher, although I was already considering switching out the links there for ones to Kodansha USA's. For the validity of using publisher links, Naruto volumes is a featured topic, and its lists use primary sources in a similar manner. As for refs at sentencing, admittedly this is my opinion but I generally prefer having the ref every 2-3 sentences as it makes it look more verifiable to me at a glance. As for archiving, I will use the IA bot on this shortly. Link20XX (talk) 05:39, 19 September 2021 (UTC)