Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedrolia Martin Sikayun

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The result was keep. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pedrolia Martin Sikayun

Fails notability. Questionable tier 1 apperance in international soccer match and none of these athletes compete(d) in a professional league as determined by WP:Football Note all these articles are created by SVG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:18, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 18:15, 11 January 2017 (UTC) Also nominating:[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:34, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:34, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:34, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - some of these players have full internationals, such as Norsuriani Mazli, Usliza Usman, Jaciah Jumilis, Luisa Marques, Nurul Hamira Yusma Mohd Yusri, and Engracia Fernandes all in a single match last year [1]] as part of the 2016 AFF Women's Championship. I recommend cancelling this AFD, researching the players properly, and listing any remaining players separately. Nfitz (talk) 19:29, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

'The notability of these is accepted as they would have received significant coverage as outlined above in the general notability criteria." - Please demonstrate how each of these articles have received significant coverage. All of these fail part 2 of notability set by WP:Football and thuse should be deleted. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:03, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Many (if not all) meet part 1, so part 2 is not relevant. Part 1 explicitly says 'Players who have played in, and managers who have managed in any Tier 1 International Match ... are notable'. You are violating a long-standing consensus. Nfitz (talk) 20:15, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The notability guideline could be a lot more expansive on what a Tier 1 int'l match is. But if AFF Women's Championship is actually "Tier 1," then this nomination just isn't going to succeed, as WP:NFOOTBALL clearly states that just criterion 1 would be enough. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:30, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

One would hope that everyone editing in this topic area, is aware of what the FIFA Tier 1 definition is. It's simply 'any International Match in which both of the teams participating are the “A” Representative Teams of the Members concerned, or an International Match involving a Scratch Team.'. That the matches are tier 1, can be confirmed on FIFA's website. If you check out Timor [2], and click on Women's, you quickly see that that the most recent match was the match against Malaysia, which I provided the summary above; FIFA doesn't list Tier 2 matches here (which is why the match in the same tournament against the Australia women's national under-20 soccer team on July 29th isn't shown). Nfitz (talk) 22:36, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, and that's why I don't edit in this area, for that very reason. But you've made it clear enough to me as a layman that these international country vs country women's matches are tier 1. I may not know ~~soccer~~ football, but I know how to read policy and these women players do seem to meet WP:NFOOTBALL's 1st criterion. Keep. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:00, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per national team appearances. Hmlarson (talk) 00:04, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per national team appearances, recommend cancelling this AFD, researching the players properly, and listing any remaining players separately.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 08:48, 14 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Passes NFOOTY, has played senior international football, in a fully professional league or in a match in the competition proper (i.e. not qualifying rounds) of a cup competition which involved two teams both from FPLs. Fenix down (talk) 09:23, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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