Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jan Clark

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The result was keep. $Salvio$ ^{Let's talk about it!} 10:31, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jan Clark

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Non-notable politician. Being a parliamentary candidate an elected municipal councillor and a principle speaker of the Green Party of England and Wales are not notable individually or when taken collectively and do not establish notability of the subject in question. Sport and politics (talk) 10:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:51, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:51, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As Principal Speaker she was effectively party leader. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:51, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
~~Merge~~ Comment - (this has potential for a merge) to Green Party (UK), which presently does not mention the subject. NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:58, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- You need to look at Principal Speaker. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:51, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -The holding of this post of Principal Speaker does not make the subject notable. They have to have wider notability established by reliable third party sources. Simply holding one post in a small political party is not enough to make an individual notable (yes the Green Party are a small party, one MP two MEPs and a few councillors here and there, does not make them a medium or big party like UKIP, the Liberal Democrats, the Conservatives or Labour, etc.). In the same way hold municipal elected office in England does not make an individual notable. The post itself can be notable by its history, or high profile office holders, etc. in the same way the office of leader of a Municipal Council is potentially notable as an office. That though does not qualify the holders of that office for notability or inclusion in Wikiepida. There is also no reasoning as to how that post makes the individual holders notable, there is simply use of other stuff exists as a means of justification in this case, which is inappropriate in this case. Sport and politics (talk) 14:08, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm afraid I completely disagree. The Green Party, while not in the front rank, is certainly in the second tier of British political parties, along with such parties as UKIP and Plaid Cymru and has been for some time. In my opinion, its leaders are notable. That, also in my opinion, is common sense, and there is nothing absurd about common sense. What is, however, absurd is to prefer dogma ("nothing in Wikipedia specifically says they are notable so they can't be notable") over common sense. Remember WP:BURO? -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:41, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

- - Comment - I am almost certain you and I Necrothesp have no common ground and will never reach a compromise on this issue. I see this individual as clearly failing under WP:DISCRIMINATE and WP:NOTABLE per WP:POLITICIAN. This individual is not inherently notable just for holding the office of principle speaker of the Green Party. The individual notability of this subject must clearly be demonstrated or here will be an endless stream of indiscriminate article creation for the leader and deputy leader of every political party in the UK who has ever had an MP is the deputy leader or Chairman etc. of the Independent Community and Health Concern Party notable. I think not even though that party had an MP in Richard Taylor. Sport and politics (talk) 19:36, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As one of two Principal Speakers of the Green Party (by then represetned in European Parliament), she was certainly notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:39, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Did not hold any office of note.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:12, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - joint leader of a significant national party (took fourth place in the European election while she was party leader). Article has one source providing evidence of notability, anyone with access to printed media of the period could find more. Warofdreams talk 00:24, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - That all well and good and please do not let this AfD stop you adding sources which establish notability. Until those sources are added that in circumspect and assumption that they exist. Until the sources establish notability are found the article fails to establish the individual is notable. Sport and politics (talk) 00:32, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Subject was effectively the head of a well known European political party. That establishes notability. --PDX er1 (talk) 19:00, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - What is meant by 'well known European political party' - that is highly opinionated and subjective and needs some serious backing up to hold any real water. Sport and politics (talk) 20:30, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do I detect a certain prejudice against the Green Party? User:Sport and politics seems to have put a very large number of Green Party members up for AfD. The statement that they may not be a well-known political party is simply laughable.TheLongTone (talk) 23:29, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment - Do i detect an assumption of bad faith on your behalf talk:TheLongTone on motives of these nominations. I must ask for the unwarranted personal attack to be withdrawn as it is innapropriate and addresses nothing to do with the merits of the discussion at hand. I strongly suggest that the criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia is read before making partisan political assumptions. Also claims they are no "well known" are taken out of context. The post of being one of two "Principle Speaker" in a small political party that has only ever had one MP never run a local authority as a majority party and only ever had 2 MEPs (3 people in total) hardly makes the post one which garners notability. So yes the green party are not a "well known" party they are just a party heard of like the BNP, Respect, the NAtional Health Action Party etc etc. Sport and politics (talk) 10:23, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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