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Tables

Hi, the tables that you add to the articles about elections and political parties are very informative and interesting to look at. Very good job! Well done. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 02:51, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

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Caught by an open proxy block but this host or IP is not an open proxy. I edit articles in my house and my ISP is the Costa Rican Institute of Electricity. Recently the company has had to do some major fixes on their internet services and thus it has been off for some days. I had to use my phone's internet so my computer could connect to the web and I don't know if this is what caused the issue.

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The issue was resolved thru the UTRS. The account is actively editing, so there is no block. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:47, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

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1. It says my IP is the one blocked. I'm prevented from even editing my own sandbox. -Maho713

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Color del FA

Hola Maho, estaba pensando que quizás sería buena idea utilizar el negro en lugar del amarillo para identificar al FA en los gráficos de la Asamblea Legislativa, pero me gustaría sondear opiniones antes. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 19:29, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Jmm, no sé. El FA utiliza mucho el amarillo en su propaganda, pero el negro podría ayudar a que sea fácil de distinguir en los diagramas y gráficos; entonces estoy de acuerdo con que sea negro, pero tal vez que no sea #000000, sino un negro más matte. Maho713 (talk) 19:33, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Por eso he preferido usar el amarillo con el FA, el problema es que ha perdido algo de relevancia en contraposición al PREN aunque conociendo a Costa Rica eso puede variar en 2022. ¿Alguna sugerencia de tono? --Dereck Camacho (talk) 20:58, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Ese es el asunto, la volatilidad en Costa Rica es demasiado alta, y nunca se puede saber qué va a pasar en cuatro años. Me gusta el tono que estamos usando para el PREN (#FFFF78) y el hecho que el FA y el PREN estén en lados opuestos de los diagramas parlamentarios significa que no creo que haya que cambiar el PREN por eso. Para el negro de FA propongo el #292929. Es fácil de aprenderse y es placentero a la vista a diferencia del #000000. Maho713 (talk) 21:16, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Sí, creo que funciona ese tono. Lo usaré en caso de cambiar los diagramas. Haré un par de prueba primero para ver como quedan. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 21:20, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Provincial results breakdown

Hello Maho. Would it be possible for you to add sources to the provincial results breakdown tables you're adding? Cheers, Number 57 11:33, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Sure thing! Sorry I didn't add them earlier. Maho713 (talk) 18:28, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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Legislative matters

Hi Maho, I don't know if you read my answer to your kind message in my talk page, I hope so. In any case I made the articule of History of the Costa Rican legislature (which is basically the combination of several Spanish language articles) however feel free to take part. Also the historical composition of the Assembly that you made may also going there without the need of collapsing it, in case you want to think about it (the collapsable may remain in the main article). --Dereck Camacho (talk) 05:38, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Hey Dereck. I'm sorry I didn't answer your message back; these last days have been very busy due to the holidays and I forgot to answer you. I think it's a great idea to make an entire article on the history of our Legislature. I say, ditch the collapsible list I made, I'll move it to the History article and make a subsection for every legislative period (major pieces of legislation passed, breakaway deputies, coalitions, etc.). And for the main article regarding the Legislative Assembly, we should do a section of parliamentary procedure, aka, how a bill is passed. I think it's necessary to stick to the general aspects of procedure as the Consitution dictates in Chapter III of Title IX (articles 123 to 129), as well as mentioning some important things from the Legislative Assembly Procedure Bylaw, like articles 208 and 208 bis. We should also do a subsection talking about the Comisiones Permanentes con Potestad Legislativa Plena (Permanent Commissions with Full Legislative Competence), as well as the permanent ordinary commissions and the special commissions. All this info I now know thanks to my Law courses but it should be available for everyone to know and understand how our legislature works.

Another issue I'd like to discuss is that we should put a definitive color on each political party. Our last election changed PRSC's color from dark blue to red, PREN went from wheat yellow to blue, and then there's the problem of FA and PAC having similar colors (not to mention the huge problem PIN was later on). My idea is that we should make use of the meta color function and make it very hard for the colors to be messed up. Plus, it's become quite a chore to know almost all hex codes when making the tables, graphs and parliament diagrams. Maybe Number 57 could help us, as well as DrRandomFactor, the one who makes all those cool professional election maps; I'm a close friend of him and he'll most probably help me with the maps. --Maho713 (talk) 06:12, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

I think all those are very good ideas. Indeed the main article of the AL is very lacking, especially when compare to other countries even for Latin American standards.

And yes, color coding of political parties has been a struggle for me for a long time. I choose most of the colors but problem is, Costa Rican parties tend to repeat colors constantly. When I first put PREN in a diagram it was a very minor party with one deputy and in the other side of the spectrum from PAC and FA, but then in the 2018 election it became the other protagonist of that election alongside the other yellow-using PAC, so it was inviable to use yellow for both. Besides, the original PREN flag was mostly yellow with a small blue sun and later it changes to two equal size stripes and they started to use blue in their t-shirts and publicity (probably for the same reason). Similarly PIN's color have change a lot and similarly too it wasn't the same when it was an unimportant minor party in 1998 as when it was the party of Juan Diego Castro. I changed PRSC's darkblue from red because of that, to avoid conflict with PIN's, but the name of political parties using some kind of blue tone is hugh: PUSC, PRC, PIN, ADC, PREN, PNG, PASE and worst it seems that JDC and Fabricio's new parties are also going to use tones of blue and very similar to make things worst.

But yes, is a good opportunity to more or less define something. Algo the use of black for FA was discussed earlier. I'm all ears on suggestions. Greetings. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 08:59, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. We should divide which areas we'll each write in the AL article.

For being a small country in extension and population, Costa Rica sure does have a lot of political parties. The biggest problem --in my opinion-- is not that many parties use blue, is that all parties that use that color are on the right side of the political spectrum; same thing with yellow. The only color parties don't tend to take is green, but that's because green has pretty much been trademarked as PLN's color, and no one dares to challenge it. I liked it when PIN was #00BBFF, it was easy to distinguish, and it wasn't too bright to feel out of place. Meanwhile, the current washed out jeans blue/grey feels weird, but I won't complain if it will remain as PIN's color. PRSC's change was a good call, at least some red in a sea of blue will help aliveate the overload of blue seats. PREN's color is ok for me, #0059CF is easy to distinguish from PUSC's #0000BF. Last time I saw, JDC's party is going to take on a purple-ish blue, so it won't be *that* hard to distinguish, but Fabricio's New Republic is the problem. It seems like we'll run out of distinguishable blues before the 2022 election, thankfully Natalia Díaz's United We Can uses lilac-purple.

The problem I now see with changing FA to black has to do with the connotation people have regarding parties' use of black. That color (and dark brown) tend to be associated with far-right politics and authoritarianism, and FA is left-wing, meaning that maybe people will be confused and think FA has authoritarian tendencies, rather than progressive. Maybe we could blend its current #FFFF00 and #292929 and end up with a dark yellow? That, or we could darken PAC's color; make it a toasted gold or use more of the red in their flag, but not to do both dark because we'd end up in the same situation.

Another issue I'd like to bring up is the problems I've been having with table creation. I have some ideas for the History article, but I was very stressed trying to make the table I tried to add and hide to the article (and I messed up). The table is currently in my sandbox, and I'll try to come up with other ideas for the evolution subsection. --Maho713 (talk) 17:27, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

I personally don't think I will touch much of the AL article more, my stronghold is history, but I do would like to see the section about legislative procedure expanded. By the way I was thinking that instead of adding info about each of the periods since 1949 you may want to translate the Spanish articles of each period into individual English articles (although I would suggest instead of the current title "Período legislativo de Costa Rica de 19X a 19Y" maybe something more suitable to English culture like "First Legislative Assembly of Costa Rica" for the 1949-1953 periodo, Second Legislative Assembly of Costa Rica" for the 1953-1958 period and so on.

Regarding colors, in the case of FA I think the exact opposite, instead of a more darker tone maybe use a clearer yellow tone if the current tone is too similar. PAC's flag uses a goldish yellow and its publicity like their iconic round sigil uses outright gold, whilst FA uses a clear yellow color similar to ICE's union color. It would make more sense to differenciate them by clearing FA if needed. Wheter black is too associated with far-right, maybe but FA is always located in far-left side of the graphic so maybe is not that problematic. We do use black for the FSLN in Spanish at least (for similar reasons, the Nicaraguan Liberals all use red). --Dereck Camacho (talk) 22:06, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh okay, then I'll write the subsection on my sandbox and then move it into the AL article. I like that idea, maybe I can base the English articles off the format other legislatures have for their periods. Some legislatures don't have a lot of info but others have quite a lot to cover. I could also make maps showing the seat and party distribution by province, plus a summary of the election. Do you know if I can find a historical record on who were the chairs of the committees?

I have a proposal for FA's color: #FFEE59. It's a light yellow, easily distinguishable from PAC's gold and not as clear as #FFFF78 (PREN's previous color) --Maho713 (talk) 04:04, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi sorry for the long delay, I didn't realized you had answer. Yes in fact you can find the information about directorates here. And yes, that tone for FA may work very well. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 19:32, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Color table discussion

Hi Maho, how about we open up a sandbox and start discussing the color codes for each of the parties (both current and historical) so we can define an standarization as much as possible, both in English and Spanish? And invite other users of course. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 16:54, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey Dereck, sorry for not answering soon. I think that'd be a great idea, a standardization regarding party colors is long overdue. Regarding other people, I think one or two more participants would help, but we should keep it small. Too many people can lead to many different opinions regarding colors, and we should strive for a consensus on each color.

I also want to let you know I'll start working on a major overhaul regarding the municipal elections. First I'll do 2002 to 2016 (hopefully when I finish we could start the article for the 2020 election, the TSE has started campaigning on it so turnout increases to a decent percentage) and then maybe you could help and do pre-2002 alderpeople elections. --Maho713 (talk) 17:31, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, excellent ideas. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 23:31, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

So could you please make the sandbox? I'll be honest and I still lack knowledge on how to make one hahaha. --Maho713 (talk) 00:21, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Well is like make any other Wikipedia page, just click in sandbox or use sandbox/color template discussion. But I will, I have some ideas of how to make a table. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 06:19, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

Check this out

In case you want to colaborate:

• 2002 San José mayoral election
• 2006 San José mayoral election
• 2010 San José mayoral election
• 2016 San José mayoral election

--Dereck Camacho (talk) 05:09, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

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Favor request

Hi Maho,

I was wondering if you can make me a favor; To add this to the Spanish article of 2020 Costa Rican municipal elections roght after the second paragraph (the one mentioning Rio Cuarto). I'm unable to do it right now. The references are already added just do not add the {{reflist-talk}} tag, that's only for your Talk page.

From this on:

El partido que obtuvo más alcaldías fue el Partido Liberación Nacional con cuarenta y dos perdiendo ocho incluyendo las cabeceras de provincia de Cartago y Limón. Seguido por el Partido Unidad Social Cristiana con quince (una más respecto a la anterior elección) y Acción Ciudadana con cuatro (cinco si se cuenta la coalición Gente de Montes de Oca de la cual forma parte) perdiendo por tanto dos. El Partido Republicano Social Cristiano, escisión del PUSC, preservó la alcaldía de Vázquez de Coronado y arrebató la alcaldía de Barva al Frente Amplio aumentado por tanto su número de alcaldes a dos. Alianza Demócrata Cristiana cosechó la alcaldía de Cartago en la figura de su líder y candidato presidencial el ex diputado Mario Redondo Poveda, mientras la formación liberal de la exdiputada Natalia Diaz Unidos Podemos obtuvo el alcalde de Oreamuno. El izquierdista Frente Amplio perdió su única alcaldía y no obtuvo nuevas, así como no cosecharon alcaldías los partidos evangélicos Restauración Nacional y Nueva República.

Diez formaciones locales obtuvieron alcaldías, cifra inédita en la historia costarricense, incluyendo la reelección de los partidos Curridabat Siglo XXI y Auténtico Limonense a la cabeza de sus cantones respectivos. Además obtuvieron la alcaldía Somos Moravia, Unidad Comunal de Turrubares, Primero Palmares, Alianza por Sarchí, Movimiento Avance Santo Domingo, La Gran Nicoya, Auténtico Santacruceño, Nandayure Progresa y el provincial Recuperando Valores en Pococí.

El fracaso de los partidos evangélicos en obtener alcaldías fue destacado por la prensa, esto debido al protagonismo que tuvo el candidato evangélico Fabricio Alvarado en la pasada elección presidencial donde fue el candidato más votado en primera ronda y obtuvo 800.000 votos en segunda aunque perdiendo ante su rival. Alvarado fue candidato por Restauración Nacional pero desertó poco después de pasadas las elecciones creando su propia formación llamada Nueva República con ambos partidos junto al histórico Renovación Costarricense cosechando resultados testimoniales.

Until here.

References

Thank you in advance. --Dereck Camacho (talk) 22:12, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Hey there. Sure, I'll help you. Maho713 (talk) 22:18, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! --Dereck Camacho (talk) 22:30, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

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