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RNU connections

Since we have sources speaking both for and against this, article needs to reflect this until the historians reached some kind of consensus on the topic. BP OMowe (talk) 18:01, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's no contradiction. I have the book in front of me. The relevant page (p. 207) reads (note: RNE or "Russkoe natsional’noe edinstvo" = RNU):

"The most famous of them, Pavel Gubarev, a prominent spokesman with multiple titles (leader of the Donbas militia, governor of the Donetsk People’s Republic, its foreign affairs minister, and the founder of the Novorossiya party), claimed to lead the RNE section in Donetsk. He thanked the movement for providing him with military training in the early 2000s, and videos from the RNE congress confirm his attendance.79 However, there is no reliable information about when the RNE affiliates in Ukraine were created.80 An RNE office is said to have opened at the central administration of Donetsk in the early months of the insurrection. Dmitrii Boitsov, leader of the so-called Orthodox Donbas organization, is rumored to have taken orders from Barkashov. 81 Mikhail Verin, commander of the “Russian Orthodox Army,” also is suspected of being close to Barkashov, but these links are mentioned by unreliable Ukrainian sources, and the movement’s Facebook page displays no particular link to the RNE.82 The fact that Barkashov did celebrate the insurgents’ actions on his Facebook page does not mean that they took orders from him." - Laruelle, M. (2019). Russian Nationalism: Imaginaries, Doctrines, and Political Battlefields. United Kingdom: Routledge.

EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 19:53, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Russian Orthodox Army and Orthodox Donbas are two separate, but closely related, groups

This seemed to have even confused at least one editor on RU Wikipedia who's written Дмитрий Бойцов (Dmitrii Boitsov) as leader of the Russian Orthodox Army (Русская православная армия) instead of Orthodox Donbas (православный донбасс). The latter org was never as prolific as the former, but there are recorded conversations (May 2014) between Boitsov and Barkashov, and they share essentially the same ideological background, however I'd have to dig deep into RU web to find out if Orthodox Donbas still even exists. While I'm at it, I'm also going to try and find more recent references to the Russian Orthodox Army, and especially where the 4,000 figure comes from and what exactly was its relationship with Strelkov. EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 20:13, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From http://www.eoi.at/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Ukraine-gon_eng_web.pdf:

"Number of personnel: unknown (according to Russian journalists, approximately 4,000; according to witnesses, up to 500)"

"The Russian Orthodox Army was created in May 2014 on the basis of the Shchyt"

"In September 2014, the Russian Orthodox Army changed its format and joined the new Oplot Fifth Separate Infantry Brigade."

I updated the article to reflect this. 106.215.40.96 (talk) 17:09, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]