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Welcome!

Hello, Moomot, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Again, welcome! 

Looks like you slipped under the welcome committee radar during the holidays. Well, Happy New Year. Ahh, see you've met DP and Zereath. Good for you.

Well if you have other questions and/or need help see the links on WP:Wc and feel free to ask me for whatever. There is a lot to learn, so don't let it daunt you. The ways of our mysterious society are not all that crazy and incomprehensible--they're just kind-of spread out all over the place, so read a lot, traipse through categories, and ask questions. My email is on my pages at Fabartus, so feel free. If you want to customize your sig with links, I can help with that too. // FrankB 02:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Snooping tour

Snooping is a time honored tradition here on wikipedia... took me the darndest long time to get over that. It's expected, and in some ways, wiki's rely on such for people to climb their learning curves, and in many ways, there are things you won't find out about with shedding any inhibitions on that, so do it. I know my own knowledge grew much faster after I gave in to the necessity. See for example Jimbo... where you may be amazed, saddened, amused, or all three, on any given visit. Anyway, I was snooping and saw your last edit. It inspired the following: (I'm always greeting newcomers, and I like it so much I'm going to turn it into a template. See the sub-page User:Fabartus/Snooping tour.) Here's a few tips (Call it Frank's five cent tour) in the form of a pop quiz: What happens when someone tries 'SDI' in the search/navigation line?Template:I0(1) Try it... Follow the 'lists of' (category) link. Follow it's category link. Note where you are, and look around. Template:I(2) Type the word disambigulation in the search/nav window. Not too good... Well, if you look long and hard you might find the associated category (cat)... it should be there somewhere. But generally there's a faster way. So let's try another indirect approach. Template:I0(3) Return to the SDI (article) page, look at and for it's template (have to go into an edit window for that). Replace the pagename in the URL with the string: 'Template:template's name' and keep the '&edit' on the end... hit enter. (Can do that in the nav/search line too, but not to edit mode. The Lua error in Module:Wd at line 2662: The function "syntax" does not exist. is the same. try both until you know how to look at a template either way. You'll need to figure that out now and then.) Now if you're user preferences are set to preview before edit, you'll see the template documentation, the template 'Guts', and a category; if you don't see that, then preview the window. Template:I0(4) Now follow that cat link. Navigate around til you find the cat found above, and the related category Category:Redirects. Template:I0(5) I haven't seen whether you've ever ed a term by building a redirect, but someday you'll certainly have to. Template:I0(6) So now go find the template {{R from alternate name}} (you'll have to navigate a page or two). Template:ISuch templates are supposed to be placed after the closing ']' on the same line on redirect pages, and there are loads of reasons and kinds for doing that, including some that have aliased names... including upper and lower case variations, and alternate/alternative wordings, and alternative spellings. Those 'aliased versions' should all do the same auto-categorization... which is a frequent common job for many types of templates. So not surprisingly, some redirects may need two and sometimes three 'R from' type templates. Templates are used instead of hard coding a category, as category names change sometimes. This allows all tagged pages to change to the new category in one single edit--in the template. That concludes Frank's five cent tour... but you may want to bookmark some of those categories. I'll tack a couple of other 'goodies categories' in below my sig by using a couple of other templates there. You should be able to find the one's I used above, and a real flexible one called 'succession' used on Honorverse in those places. (take a good hard look at this section in edit mode!) Poke around and have fun! (Just don't save any thing when looking under the hood, so to speak! <g>) Best wishes // FrankB 04:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ten
ways to get the same five useful places... and one besides.
See also: AFD, CFD, MFD, TFD, VPP, WP:AFD, WP:CFD, WP:MFD, WP:TFD, WP:VPP, and WP:NCH
Handy
Tools for odd jobs
See also the categories Navigational templates, Miscellaneous templates, user templates, and uncategorized templates

King

Looks like I'm your first >;) I'll copy this on my talk page too because it doesn't look like you're set up yet. Anyway, I enjoyed that exchange as well. A major benefit I look to get out of Wikipedia is for my own learning, including sharpening what I think I already know. So far I've only come across a few editors interested in debating something controversial in a way that's constructive to the article as well as challenging and stimulating. Cheers, and happy editing, Bobanny 02:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Psychopath

What I did is merge the two articles - if you look in the history you'll see that the other is now there. The reason is that the two were about the same subject, which is a no-no. Hope this helps.  Glen  15:04, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Moomot, you added some good stuff, with inline references too (obviously you have a lot of anon edit experience to get this so right) but please check before you edit whether a subsection has it's own article, as the PCL-R does. It was split off because it became so long and detailed it was dominating the article. I have tried to work much of your text into it. Also, don't be so quick to reorganise, or delete, a lot of people who really knew their stuff added to this article over time, and you deleted some of that, also you merged text into subsections it was not relevant to. --Zeraeph 21:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Have to say that I doubt if Robert Hare himself would refer to the PCL-R as "proven and valid"! Remember that everything in a WP article must be from a neutral point of view, with qualitive evaluations (see WP:NPOV) I honestly do not see how anything you deleted was "redundant" either. It is nice that you are "being bold" but sadly I do not really have time to sort the wheat from the chaff constantly as I did today. So just take it a little more slowly and carefully and keep track of whether your text is relvant to it's header.
The Childhood precursors do, indeed, need citations, but once cited, a list is the clearest form of presentation.
I have never managed to work out how to create two columns myself and have never seen it done, though it would work, Cleckley's list is appropriate, not only because it remains accurate, but also because it was the original definition of a psychopath from which all others sprang. Hare's definition essentially has it's own article. --Zeraeph 01:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! I don't think I own the article...but there is NO WAY ON EARTH I could let the wild inaccuracies, POV and bizarre contextual relevance of some of your edits stand, any more than I could leave some of the excellent text you deleted in history.

It's great that you have enthusiam for editing and for the topic, but you really need to learn to edit in accord with the style of Wikipedia, and to consistently maintain and improve the quality of the article, without ever diminishing it.--Zeraeph 04:22, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You may well have been sniping at me, as you assert (though I didn't take it that way?), but I certainly wasn't sniping at you, just trying to set you on the right path.
I know it can be hard to avoid POV and even original research, but who told you it was going to be easy? :o)
When you get used to it, the discipline of staying within WP Policies and guidelines can actually be quite enjoyable, and fosters good habits in essay etc...or at any rate I find it so. --Zeraeph 17:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Moomot, I've also noticed some of your recent work in this article. You included a fair number of details on Robert Hare that are probably more appropriate to the Robert Hare article rather than the general Psychopath article because they're talking about comments by and about Robert Hare... otherwise, keep up the good work! Cheers, Deathphoenix ʕ 17:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I look forward to seeing more of your work, but most importantly, have fun on Wikipedia! --Deathphoenix ʕ 20:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanted to say that I am liking your edits to Psychopathy now, a LOT...--Zeraeph 00:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Z, I appreciate that. Moomot 15:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Missing article

1) I gather this isn't it Matlock, Jack Foust, Jr., though may be same subject.
2) So we're needing to find Jack F. Matlock Jr. or (CnP from your email) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_F._Matlock%2C_Jr. which are both coming up as non-deleted, and are and should be the same url.
3) Search window navigate to look for a misfiled, 'Matlock' is here -- too many hits. Didn't see it in early pages.
4) Best guess is you didn't save it, but only looked at it in preview mode. We've all done and sometimes still do that. Tough luck on a page you are creating new, but it happens.
5) Best suggestion is to use a user or user talk subpage like User:Moomot/temp {draft, sandbox, new, etc.} and save early and often. When it's 'ready' for mainspace, just cut and paste it over to a new page, or move the page into article space if you have that edit tab. If you don't and want it moved, use the {{helpme}} template to attract an admin in a section with a redlink to the desired name, and the link to your subpage. Have a little note saying what you are requesting.
6) But before that, look at your own contribs to see if you misspelled or mispunctuated something. If you created it, it will be shown. Oh, lookee here: Jack F. Matlock, Jr. (Have a missing comma for breakfast. <g>)
now the hard part...
7) Dig out NAMCON and verify this form, or the item found in 1) is correct. Yours is obviously better, which has the more correct name.
8) Look at {{merge}}, {{Mergeto}} and {{Mergefrom}} template help and decide which ones you want to use. (You can thank me for the clear help/usage messages on those.<g> Do a diff and see)
9) Contact the (few or two) contributors of the other, and notify them of the merge proposal, with a link to the appropriate talk.
10) You need to innaugerate that yourself first.
11) You can shortcut 8-11 by just asking them to agree with a proposal on your or their talk. The one kept gets the good contents, the one not gets wiped and turned into a redirect page.
12) See category:redirects and apply the appropriate {{R from alternative name}} template, or whatever others like that seem to fit the need and discription. You can apply several, but three is max. Those must go on the same line as the closing ']' character.

Glad to help. // FrankB 10:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia policies

I see that you are a new user to Wikipedia, so if you haven't already, I recommend that you take the time to read through Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Although you have some excellent changes and comments to make about articles, you will find more frustration than productivity on Wikipedia if you opt to attack and insult others whenever given the opportunity. Diplomacy is a virtue in a collaborative project like this. Just something to keep in mind. -Silence 19:29, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So, you are a hypocrite as well as a pretentious and tedious bore. Thanks, now go away. Moomot 14:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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