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Administrator instructions

Categories for discussion (CfD) is where the renaming, merging or deletion of categories – i.e. pages in the Category namespace – is discussed and action decided. Stub types templates are also discussed here.

Categories are used to organize pages and aid the browsing of related articles. For instructions as to how to use this page, perform cleanup maintenance or request speedy deletions or renamings, see "How to use CfD" below. The policies meant to guide category renaming may be found at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories).

Unless a change to a category is non-controversial – e.g. prompted by vandalism or duplication – please do not amend or remove the category from pages before a decision has been made.

Categories that have been listed for more than seven days are eligible for deletion, renaming or merging when a rough consensus to do so has been reached or no objections to the nomination have been raised.

When a category is renamed or merged with another category, it is usually helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.

Scope[edit]

CfD is only intended for discussions where an editor already has a clear action proposal in mind. For general brainstorming on how to improve the category system, good places for discussion include Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and the talk pages of any WikiProjects relevant to the content covered by the categories in question.

Current discussions[edit]

Add a new entry


Discussions awaiting closure[edit]

See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here.


How to use CfD[edit]

Nomination procedure[edit]

Twinkle[edit]

The use of Wikipedia:Twinkle greatly facilitates CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to "my preferences", the "Gadgets" tab, the "Browsing" section and check "Twinkle ...". Use the now-installed "XfD" (Nominate for deletion) tab while viewing the page to be deleted or renamed.

Twinkle only allows nominations of a single category. For batch nominations or if you don't want to use Twinkle, follow the manual steps below.

Manual nominations[edit]

To list a category manually for deletion, merging or renaming, follow this process:

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Preliminary steps.

Determine whether the category needs deleting, merging, or renaming.

  1. If it is a red link and has no subcategories, then it is already deleted (more likely, it was never really created in the first place), and does not need to be listed here.
  2. Read and understand Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories) and Wikipedia:Overcategorization.
  3. Nominate categories here which violate policies or guidelines, are misspelled, mis-capitalized, redundant to other categories (not redundant to stand-alone lists), small without potential for growth, or generally bad ideas.
  4. When nominating or commenting on people-related categories, please read the Wikipedia:Categorization of people policy.
  5. When nominating or commenting on Wikipedian categories, please read Wikipedia:User categories and Wikipedia:Overcategorization/User categories.
  6. In the following special cases:
    • If the category is empty for more than seven days, use {{db-catempty}} for a speedy deletion.
    • If the category is only populated by a template (other than a stub template) and both the category and template are being proposed for deletion, follow the instructions at templates for discussion.
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Edit the category.

Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the category text of every category to be discussed. (The tags belong on the categories' main pages rather than their talk/discussion pages.)

If the category is a candidate for speedy renaming or merging, use:
and follow the instructions at the Speedy page.
Otherwise, if a single category:
If a group of similar categories or a category and its subcategories, use an umbrella nomination (each category must be tagged, and for nominations involving large numbers of categories, tagging help can be requested at the talk page):
  • For deletion, {{subst:cfd|Cfd section name}}
  • For a merger, {{subst:cfm|Other category|Cfd section name}}
  • For renaming, {{subst:cfr|Proposed name|Cfd section name}}
  • For splitting, {{subst:cfs|Proposed name 1|Proposed name 2|Cfd section name}}
  • For converting the category contents into a list, {{subst:cfl|Proposed name|Cfd section name}}
  • For other options (containerization, etc.), {{subst:cfd|type=nature of proposed discussion|Cfd section name}} (see Template:Cfd/doc#Optional parameter)
  • Please include "CFD", "CFM", "CFR", "CFS" or "CFL" in the edit summary, and don't mark the edit as minor.
  • Preview before saving. The display will give more precise instructions about the next step.
  • See the documentation pages at {{cfd}}, {{cfm}}, {{cfr}}, {{cfs}} and {{cfl}} for more specific information.
  • Similarly, consider adding {{subst:cfd-notify|Category name|2018 May 21|CfD section name}} ~~~~ to the talk page of the category's creator or a related WikiProject.
  • You can add the template for previous nomination days using the full template versions. For this simply append "full" to the template name - e.g. {{Cfm full}}. By this you can use the day=, month= and year= parameters to make the banner link to the right CfD-page.
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Create the CFD section.

Click on THIS LINK to edit the section of CFD for today's entries.

Follow the instructions in the comments (visible during edit), to copy and paste the template shown. All categories are specified without the Category: prefix.

For {{Cfd}}, use:
{{subst:cfd2|Obsolete category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed deletion. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfm}}, use:
{{subst:cfm2|Origin category|Destination category|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed merge. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfr}}, use:
{{subst:cfr2|Current category|Proposed name|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed rename. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfs}}, use:
{{subst:cfs2|Current category|Proposed category 1|Proposed category 2|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed split. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfl}}, use:
{{subst:cfc2|Current category|Proposed article|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}}
For {{Cfd|type=other type}}, use:
{{subst:cfd2|Current category|type=other type|text=Your reason(s) for the proposed conversion. ~~~~}}
When using these templates, the old and new categories you specify are automatically converted to links; do not use square brackets to specify them as links yourself.
For umbrella nominations, use one of the standard templates to build the "Cfd section name" for the first nominated category. After saving that, the second and subsequent nominations must be inserted manually, like this:
==== Cfd section name ====
  • 1st category
  • 2nd category [Make clear whether you propose deletion, merging or renaming]
  • Your reason for nominating the categories, and signature.
  • If an umbrella nomination is too long, consider using {{hidden}} to hide the bulk of nominated categories.
  • In your reason, please link appropriate articles or categories to help other editors.
  • In your reason, when linking to a category, always add a colon (:) to the beginning of the link, like [[:Category:Foo]]. This makes a category link that can be seen on the page, and avoids putting this page into the category you are nominating.
  • Preview before saving to ensure all the fields have been properly listed.

Once you have previewed your entry, please make sure to add your signature after your proposal.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors[edit]

While it is sufficient to list a category for discussion at CfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the CfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that an category be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets, such as "C1" for unpopulated categories or "C2C" for bringing a category into line with established naming conventions.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the CfD. It may also be helpful to post a message on the talkpage of a related article, like Protein family for Category:Protein families. You can use {{Cfdnotice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the category being listed in that project's Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.

Notifying substantial contributors to the category

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and any main contributors of the category and its talkpage that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, look in the page history or talk page. You can use {{Cfd-notify}} to inform the creator of the category, and {{Cfdnotice2}} for all other editors.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone will either close the discussion or, where needed, "relist" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a category here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is supported, helpful administrators and editors will log the result and ensure that the change is implemented to all affected pages.

Also, consider adding any categories you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Users without accounts and users with new accounts[edit]

Users without accounts (unregistered users) may comment on proceedings, just as in Articles for Deletion (AfD). Unlike AfD, they may also directly nominate categories for discussion.

Redirecting categories[edit]

It is our general policy to delete categories that do not have articles in them. (Rationale: Unlike articles, categories are mostly for internal use only. If they don't have any articles, they shouldn't have any links from any articles or any other categories, because they are not useful for navigation and sorting.)

However, some categories frequently have articles assigned to them accidentally, or are otherwise re-created over and over. But categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects: #REDIRECT[[target]]. (See Wikipedia:Redirect#category for the technical details.)

Instead, we use a form of "soft redirects" to solve the issue. You can "create" a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}} to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets. Notice that it's not a redirect at all as a wiki page; it's bots that virtually make them redirects.

In particular, we set up category redirects at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up redirects from forms with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.

You can see a list of redirected categories in Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.

Closing[edit]

When closing CfDs, document their results (e.g. with links to CfD page history) on the talk pages of the affected categories, if not deleted. If deleted, document the deletion decision in the deletion edit summary. See {{cfd top}}.

Special notes[edit]

When nominating a category, it's helpful to add a notice on the talk page of the most-closely related article. Doing so would not only extend an additional courtesy, but possibly also bring in editors who know more about the subject at hand. You can use {{Cfdnotice}} for this.

If a category is only used as generated by a template (e.g. Category:Foo Stubs to correspond with Template:Foo-stub), and that template is deleted by a regular WP:TFD process, then the category can be deleted as well as long as it was nominated along with the template, or mentioned early in the discussion.

Speedy renaming and merging

Categories may be listed for speedy renaming or speedy merging if they meet one or more of the criteria specified below. The nomination must state which criterion applies (e.g. "C2C" or "C2D"). Note that these speedy criteria are narrowly defined, and admins will not process a nomination unless it meets one of these criteria; any other rationale needs a full discussion at WP:CFD. "Common sense" or "it's obvious" may be suitable points to make in a discussion, but they are not criteria for speedy renaming.

Each category must be tagged with {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}} so that users of the categories are aware of the proposal. A request may be processed 48 hours after it was listed if there are no objections. This delay allows other editors to review the request to ensure that it meets the criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.

Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}, and no delay is required to process these. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.

Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed, after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}. If the nominator wants to continue the process, they need to submit the request as a regular CfD in accordance with the instructions here.

Speedy criteria[edit]

The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:

C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes[edit]

  • Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
  • Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).

C2B: Enforcing established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices[edit]

C2C: Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names[edit]

  • This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
  • This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
  • This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).

C2D: Facilitating concordance between a particular category's name and a related page's name[edit]

  • Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
  • This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is unambiguous, and uncontroversial – either because of longstanding stability at that particular name or because the page was just moved after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename. If the page names are controversial or ambiguous in any way, then this criterion does not apply, even if an article is the primary topic of its name.
  • This criterion also does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or if there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result.

C2E: Author request[edit]

  • This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
  • The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.

Admin instructions for handling listed entries[edit]

When handling the listings:

  1. Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
  2. With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
  3. Make sure that there are no oppositions to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing the opposition(s).

If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed - follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is Delete, Merge, or Rename"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.

Applying C2 in full CfD discussions[edit]

  • A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
    • The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
    • No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
  • If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.

Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here[edit]

If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.

If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.

Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:

* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~

This will sign and datestamp an entry automatically.

Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}

A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 21:57, 19 May 2018 (UTC). Currently, there are 167 open requests (refresh).


Current nominations[edit]

Opposed nominations[edit]

Oppose Although the article uses "Maid of honour" throughout, the sources make it clear that this (the court title, not the normal US wedding thing) is a proper name & should use H not h. Johnbod (talk) 00:48, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
We don't capitalize titles except when used as part of a person's name. Consider 'king', 'queen', or 'baron'. Pburka (talk) 01:50, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
You consider Minister of State, Gentleman of the Bedchamber, Gentleman of the Horse, Crown Equerry, Colonel of the Regiment etc. Johnbod (talk) 01:59, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
Category:Aileu District to Category:Aileu Municipality
Category:Ainaro District to Category:Ainaro Municipality
Category:Baucau District to Category:Baucau Municipality
Category:Bobonaro District to Category:Bobonaro Municipality
Category:Cova Lima District to Category:Cova Lima Municipality
Category:Dili District to Category:Dili Municipality
Category:Ermera District to Category:Ermera Municipality
Category:Lautém District to Category:Lautém Municipality
Category:Liquiçá District‎ to Category:Liquiçá Municipality
Category:Manatuto District to Category:Manatuto Municipality
Category:Manufahi District to Category:Manufahi Municipality
Category:Oecusse District to Category:Oecusse Municipality
Category:Viqueque District to Category:Viqueque Municipality
Category:People by district in East Timor to Category:People by municipality in East Timor
Category:People from Aileu District to Category:People from Aileu Municipality
Category:People from Ainaro District to Category:People from Ainaro Municipality
Category:People from Baucau District to Category:People from Baucau Municipality
Category:People from Bobonaro District to Category:People from Bobonaro Municipality
Category:People from Cova Lima District to Category:People from Cova Lima Municipality
Category:People from Dili District to Category:People from Dili Municipality
Category:People from Ermera District to Category:People from Ermera Municipality
Category:People from Lautém District to Category:People from Lautém Municipality
Category:People from Liquiçá District‎ to Category:People from Liquiçá Municipality
Category:People from Manatuto District to Category:People from Manatuto Municipality
Category:People from Manufahi District to Category:People from Manufahi Municipality
Category:People from Oecusse District to Category:People from Oecusse Municipality
Category:People from Viqueque District to Category:People from Viqueque Municipality
Bahnfrend (talk) 10:09, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Oppose. No speedy criterion applies. This needs a full discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:29, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Comment @BrownHairedGirl: C2B applies: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) says that you use the English version of the modern official name, ie the English version of Município (which is what the East Timor government does - see eg East Timor Ministry of Tourism, Arts and Culture tourism consumer website. The government made the change several years ago, and Wikipedia needs to make the change too. Bahnfrend (talk) 10:50, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
@Bahnfrend: I have never seen C2B used for such a specific detail of a subject-specific guideline. As you can see, the examples given at WP:C2B are of v simple, basic naming principles.
Your interpretation does fit the wording of C2B, but I don't think it fits the spirit of C2B as used over the last decade. So this does need a full discussion, where you can clearly make a v good case. It may well be unopposed. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:46, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Comment - @Bahnfrend: is there any citation or source that explicitly states the name change? If there isn't then I will have to oppose. Inter&anthro (talk) 01:09, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
@Inter&anthro: Yes, there are sources, although it is not easy to find online sources because East Timor is not a highly developed country. I understand that the change took place in 2015. The East Timor government's Population and Housing Census 2015 Preliminary Results report refers repeatedly to Municipalities as the top level administrative subdivision (search for "municipality" and/or "municipalities" and you'll see what I mean). Deakin University's Australia Timor-Leste Election Observer Mission 2017 Official Statement (2017) states "... 743,150 voters were based in 13 municipalities (formerly districts) ...". Also, Counterpart International's website includes this page reporting on "MAI MUNISIPIU IN TIMOR-LESTE 2013-2017" and includes the comment "Mai Munisipiu, Come to the Municipalities, (formerly called Ba Distrito – To the Districts) ..." I could probably also find other online sources. Bahnfrend (talk) 02:40, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
  • The convention 'based in' was established at cfd in 2006, so all subcats ought to be speediable. Kudos to Rathfelder for this attempt. Oculi (talk) 12:25, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion[edit]
Moved to full discussion[edit]
  • Category:Jerusalem Championship to Category:Arab Club Champions Cup – C2D, parent article recently moved to Arab Club Champions Cup via WP:RM/TR. Hashim-afc (talk) 17:26, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
    • Category:Jerusalem Championship Finals to Category:Arab Club Champions Cup Finals
      Oppose speedy Main article was only recently renamed and without an RM, so C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 15:07, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
      Comment What? The main article was moved via WP:RM/TR (uncontroversial technical request) like I clearly stated above. Hashim-afc (talk) 20:14, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
      A technical request isn't a discussion, it's something you couldn't do without admin privileges (so essentially a move via proxy). 01:06, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
      It was an uncontroversial move, so it didn't require a discussion. Thus C2D applies. I don't see the problem at all. Hashim-afc (talk) 15:32, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
      I will qoute C2D for you: "This applies only if the related page's current name [...] is unambiguous, and uncontroversial – either because of longstanding stability at that particular name or because the page was just moved after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename." Armbrust The Homunculus 18:42, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
      So every single page move in the history of Wiki requires a discussion among multiple members even if it's uncontroversial? Honestly, common sense should prevail. It was moved by uncontroversial technical request. It is therefore an uncontroversial move. Starting a discussion to move it is therefore unnecessary. I didn't move the page on my own, I requested an admin to move it via WP:RM/TR. If that's not enough then that's frankly absurd. Hashim-afc (talk) 18:58, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
      It’s perfectly fine for the page to be moved that way, but for moving the category speedily it’s not enough. This needs a full discussion. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:08, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
      @Hashim-afc: you may be right, but if it is contested on this page then it needs a discussion. You have left enough trouble already – I found that the history of the main article did not go back beyond 31 Oct 2016, because on that day you did another WP:CUTPASTE on that page, like the one that you did recently before being reverted and listing it at RM/TR. You had also left the article's talk page at an old name, Talk:Arab World Club Cup. I have fixed them both now. – Fayenatic London 22:17, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
      Thank you. Yes I made mistakes with page moving before due to lack of experience but thankfully Fenixdown explained to me the correct way which is why I used uncontroversial technical request. I don't know what there is to discuss in the discussion because no one contests the move of the parent page. Hashim-afc (talk) 23:15, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
      @Hashim-afc: Armbrust takes a strict interpretation of the Speedy rules, and at least once when he insisted on a full discussion he received a WP:TROUT there. But as he is not withdrawing his opposition on this page, a full discussion is required. Anything with "Jerusalem" in it is potentially controversial anyway, so it will do no harm to have a permanent record of the CFD rationale. – Fayenatic London 07:59, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Ready for deletion[edit]

Check Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion for out of process deletions. In some cases, these will need to be nominated for discussion and the editor who emptied the category informed that they should follow the WP:CFD process.

Once the renaming has been completed, copy and paste the listing to the Ready for deletion section of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Manual.

Categories possibly emptied out of process[edit]

Note. Categories listed here will be automatically moved to Category:Candidates for speedy deletion after 7 days.
Note. Due to limits of the software, all contents of the category may not be displayed. View the category directly to see all contents.

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