Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Donkey Kong games/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Matthewedwards 19:06, 11 July 2009 [1].

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List of Donkey Kong games

Nominator(s): -- Nomader ^(Talk) 05:04, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

• Featured list candidates/List of Donkey Kong games/archive1

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets the requirements laid out at WP:WIAFL. The list is extensively based off of two previous FLs in format, List of Kirby media (which I guided through its FLC) and List of Harvest Moon titles. For a complete history of my work on this list, please see the history page at User:Nomader/Donkey Kong. Cheers and good reviewing. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 05:04, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd suggest changing the style of the whole list instead of tables it would do more sense having subsections for each title as it seems that the notes take a big part of the information included in the tables.--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 21:19, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't be totally opposed to the idea. If I were going to place it in that format, I'd probably do something along the lines of what's seen at video games notable for negative reception. I'd like to know that the format seen in that article is preferable before I go ahead and change the list to match it, though. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 02:36, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Then again, however, I'm wary about changing from a format that's been widely accepted for other video game FLs (see List of Kirby media, List of Harvest Moon titles, List of Castlevania media, and etc.). Either way, I'd like further input from reviewers about whether the format needs to be changed. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 04:08, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I think subsections would be more awkward—admittedly I've spent a lot of time working on {{VGtitle}}. Though some of the games have a good number of notes, not all do. The ones with only two short sentences wouldn't have enough to really fill a section. Such games are kind of common on lists like this. Also, I think that many subsections would bloat the table of contents. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC))

Personally, I prefer {{VGtitle}} because it's easier to organize the release dates of the games. That'd be the one problem with using sub-sections -- unless anyone objects, I'm going to keep the list in its current format. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 17:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs) General Fix the 3 disambiguation links found with the first link in the toolbox at the right. Fixed. External links check out fine. Lead You should add a bit more summary of the list itself, i.e. the most recent release, which system has had the most released, etc. I went ahead and added the latest game released in the series and put in some information about the original arcade games being ported. It's tough to say which system had the most released though, because the games were for the most part spread out evenly over a number of systems so I didn't add that in. List Remove the periods from incomplete sentences, there are many which need to have them removed.--Truco 503 22:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC) I went ahead and removed a bunch of periods from incomplete sentences. -- Nomader (Talk) 00:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC) Some sentences still need to have them removed and others readded, I recommend seeking a copyediter to do it.--Truco 503 01:34, 3 July 2009 (UTC) I went ahead and tried a more meticulous checking of it, but if it still isn't enough, I've requested a copyedit at WikiProject Video Games. -- Nomader (Talk) 02:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC) I gave it go. Let me know if it's satisfactory. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:27, 7 July 2009 (UTC)) Looks good to me.--Truco 503 02:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support -- Previous issues resolved/clarified; list meets WP:WIAFL.--Truco ₅₀₃ 02:16, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments from Guyinblack25

• Maybe split the lead into two paragraphs to break up the large chunk of prose. I think it would improve readability.
• I would remove the "Games" heading and make the subsections level 2 headings. It seems kind of redundant to me.
• For the early titles, why are the Famicom and NES listed separately? Since they are the same system, shouldn't the first instance be used?
• Any specific release info on the Game & Watch DK games?
• Maybe wikilink "packaged" to Product bundling when talking about the conga.

Other than those minor issues, everything looks good to me. The sources look fine and the content looks to be well organized. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 15:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC))

I added in all of your suggestions except for the Game & Watch games. I'm not too happy with "Early 1980s" either, but I just can't find the games in any sort of reliable source except for later reviews. The only list of dates that I can find is here, and I can't use a Wikipedia page for my source -- I looked through all the links at that page, but none of them seem to have the release dates. For now, unless I stumble on a reliable list with release data, I just can't enter them with any degree of confidence. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 16:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

It's probably fine if that's the best we can find. I think I may have a magazine that did a feature on the whole Game & Watch line though. I'll try to find it when I get home later. I'll check one of my books too. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 16:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC))

Alright, thanks. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 17:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The only issues I see left are the release dates for Donkey Kong Jungle Fever and the use of both Famicom and Nintendo Entertainment System. I'd stick with NES since the list is intended for English speaking regions. Once those are done, I'll gladly support. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 17:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC))

I've changed all instances of "Famicom" to "Nintendo Entertainment System". With regard to Jungle Fever, it's an obscure Japanese-only arcade game that I almost didn't even notice existed. The only release date I've been able to find has been at GameFAQs -- it's not listed at GameSpot, IGN lists no release date, and the 1UP page on it doesn't hold any release information. For now, 2005 is what I have to go on. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 22:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

The list has 2005 and 1995 for the release dates. Is the 2005 the correct one? (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC))

Yes, it is -- I've edited it to reflect that. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 22:47, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Support: My concerns have been addressed. I believe the list meets the FL criteria. Nice job Nomader. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 22:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC))

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:45, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) "The games have been developed by a variety of developers" C"including" is only used for incomplete lists. The one that follows this phrase is a complete list. I haven't changed it yet, because it isn't a complete list -- I noted in the original Donkey Kong arcade game's notes, "The game was re-released in a number of home console versions, most of which were not developed by Nintendo, but instead by other third party developers." That's why I said including -- if you feel that I should still change the wording with the other developers not-with-standing, I'll do so. "developed by a variety of developers"-->developed by several developers (there are multiple occurences, but don't change all of them) Changed one instance it appears. "with over forty-nine million games sold worldwide."-->with over 49 million games sold worldwide. (non-breaking space between "49" and "million") Changed to 49 million. "The game holds two modes"-->The game has two modes Changed per your comment. "one is a two player mode, where the objective is to add numbers up to what Donkey Kong is holding, and the other is a single player mode where the player must solve algebraic equations."-->one is a two-player mode in which the objective is to add numbers up to what Donkey Kong is holding, and the other is a single-player mode in which the player must solve algebraic equations. Changed to your suggested statement. "prior to"-->before Changed the instance of "prior to" to "before". "The game is only loosely based off of the original Donkey Kong: it features"-->The game is loosely based off of the original Donkey Kong; it features Changed per your comment. "if played through the Super Game Bo" played through or played "on"? Changed per your suggestion -- it's a cartridge adapter that lets games be played on a Super Nintendo console, but I figure that you're playing them "on" the console, not playing them through the console. "Utilized pegs" "used" is much nicer and simpler (multiple occurences, including "utilizing") Dabomb87 (talk) 15:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC) Changed accordingly. I think I've addressed most of your concerns, save for the development info in the lead. -- Nomader (Talk) 19:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC) Oppose until alternative text for images is added (discussion). Dabomb87 (talk) 01:24, 10 July 2009 (UTC) I went ahead and added alternate text. I think it should be satisfactory. -- Nomader (Talk) 01:54, 10 July 2009 (UTC) It is, thank you. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:02, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support. Well done. Tezkag72 (talk) 20:02, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment: I just wanted to say, thanks for everyone who gave comments and supported and such. I figure I should say that somewhere... so I did. -- Nomader ^(Talk) 03:20, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

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