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Missing most of the diet

THIS ARTICLE DOESN'T MENTION DIABETES ONCE. Diabetes prevention and control were major aspects of the diet. But why include something good about the diet you can't spin? His books frequently mention the issues of diabetes, insulin resistance, hyperinsulin production, etc. and the diet being a way to bring down blood glucose levels, alleviating as much reliance on drugs.

Both this article and the bio page for Dr. Atkins are terribly biased and lacking much of any pertinent information. Just for example in the section "effectiveness and risk" the claim is made it may increase heart disease risk, because Dr. Atkins himself had heart problems. This would be trash on its own and no way up to Wikipedia standards if this were true but you're lying. It's even mentioned in his bio article that it was due to infection, not eating steaks, as you desperately insinuate. That bio page is trash too, focusing a lot of attention on his death, again abandoning science for "hurr look he dead, that means diet bad!"

This article mentions a few negative things said about it, but doesn't include any positive. It repeatedly, in excess, calls it a "fad diet" as if the entire point of this article is to push a narrative, rather than providing even a rudimentary overview of what the diet encompasses (as this article utterly fails to do). At best the two or three references repeatedly cited stating the diet works, but you spin that as a negative because the two or three studies cited say it didn't do a lot better than others. But it did do better, and yet you word that like it's a bad thing.

Oh so terrible a type 2 diabetic might be able to have a diet that virtually removes their need for medication and entirely abates their high blood glucose levels regardless if they're hyperinsulin or not producing. Better not include this at all. J1DW (talk) 12:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source? So far as I can see this was rubbish promoted for weight loss, not diabetes mgt. Alexbrn (talk) 13:07, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The sugar conspiracy…

I suggest someone add to either this page or Robert Atkins page the somewhat conspiratorial belief that Atkins was demonized and attacked by a “sugar lobby” throughout his career. What is fact is that proponents of many diets today have an understanding of nutrition that stems from Atkins belief that sugar, and not fat, is what’s damaging American health most.

That was a big part of Atkins work, and that’s been adopted by many even outside of his low carb diet. 2600:1700:E690:91E0:F90E:DB1E:3404:742E (talk) 09:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are going to need a reliable source for that if you want it on the Wikipedia article. The were a lot of guys before Atkins who argued that processed sugar is bad for health, examples John Yudkin, Thomas L. Cleave, Gayelord Hauser, Lelord Kordel and Alfred W. McCann. Most of Atkins ideas had already been proposed by Richard Mackarness and Walter L. Voegtlin. I find it doubtful that Atkins ideas have been adopted outside of the low-carb community and have not seen any reliable sourced that verify that.. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:41, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Non neutral viewpoint

The bulk of the current article clearly reflects the mindset of traditional diet advocates (Low fat and moderate to high carb) and lacks any pretense of neutrality - I at least removed the word "fad" from the first sentence. I was introduced to and recommended the diet by two different surgeons. The whole article realy needs a neutral rewrite PJK 38.140.193.178 (talk) 00:45, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The neutral view is the view of the WP:BESTSOURCES. Any we're missing? Alexbrn (talk) 00:46, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

“Two different surgeons” IP refuses to name, probably non-notable, presumably with no meaningful or relevant credentials. Dronebogus (talk) 00:56, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rather huge amount of bias in the wording and omissions

The current science continues to be surprised that saturated fats are not harmful - good for us - ignoring that they make up most of the fats in breast-milk and what our own liver produces (C-16 SF). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36059207/ There is also the omission of any mention of Dr. Gordon - it was his 1962 JAMA article that Atkins based his diet to help heart patients. This page is much too close to passive propaganda.

Current science is pointing to insulin as the cause of thickened intima of heart arteries. Insulin goes up with sugar/starch and artificial sweeteners. Insulin is a growth factor that is thought to cause this thickening.

The LDL narrative has been completely discredited in the science that has appeared in the last decade or so. This narrative was promoted by people selling drugs.

https://journals.lww.com/co-endocrinology/Fulltext/2022/10000/Assessing_cardiovascular_disease__looking_beyond.4.aspx

Not everything that was promoted in Atkins name was good (artificial sugars look to do real harm), but it is not deniable that low carb lowers insulin - the key metric that defines metabolic disease - the pandemic that is killing and/or disabling so many..