Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wyoming in the American Civil War

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The result was delete. RL0919 (talk) 21:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wyoming in the American Civil War

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Rather contrived, as neither the state of Wyoming or the Wyoming Territory existed at this time. What little happened in the region militarily would be better classified as belonging to the American Indian Wars. I'm not convinced this should exist. Hog Farm _Talk 16:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, Geography, and Wyoming. Hog Farm _Talk 16:07, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Page was originally created as a set of links to “(state/territory) in the American Civil War” for entities which actually existed during that time covering that area, and later converted to an article by Sam1370. Initial impression is that it should be reverted back to its earlier status. --Finngall ^talk 18:03, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Union troops were there to guard against Native Americans. There was no fighting against Confederates. So we have non-existent Confederate activity in an as-yet-uncreated territory or state. About as valid as The Beatles in the American Civil War. Clarityfiend (talk) 18:05, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and historical reality. There were no actions involving Confederate troops in this region, and if for some unknown reason there were they should be addressed in one of the relevant territorial articles (Nebraska or Colorado). No reason for this article to exist. Intothat darkness 18:56, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and discussion here. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 22:39, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
REDIRECT to Dakota Territory#American Civil War. Where it would be, yes? Hyperbolick (talk) 05:52, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- @Hyperbolick: - Part of what is now Wyoming was also in the Idaho Territory, so that would create a WP:XY issue with a redirect to one over the other. Hog Farm _Talk 13:24, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  There was also a small corner that was part of Utah. The territorial history in this part of the country is a touch too convoluted to lend itself to easy linking... Intothat darkness 16:30, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  A sliver, yes. But the bulk was Dakota. Hyperbolick (talk) 17:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  In any case, a redirect is misleading. There was no "Wyoming" involvement in the Civil War. Even your own link indicates the majority of Civil War involvement in Dakota Territory (mostly east of what would become Wyoming) was concerned mainly with Indian conflicts. Intothat darkness 22:13, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. [Was "Merge" to the appropriate three territory articles, if there is any content worth saving, and "Delete" (do not leave a redirect behind)], but I gather there's nothing worth saving. Inbound links to this article include Outline of the American Civil War, which needs cleaning up. Other questionable "STATE in the American Civil War"-type article names, where STATE did not then exist, still appear there. I recall objecting to these when they were being manufactured. --Doncram (talk) 20:45, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Some have been merged/redirected to more appropriate "TERRITORY in the American Civil War" articles or just to a section in the TERRITORY article:

New Mexico's one was merged into New Mexico Territory in the American Civil War in multiple edits by Cuchullain in May 2009 while a RM type discussion was going on at its Talk page.
South Dakota's one is a redirect to Dakota Territory#American Civil War
Oklahoma's one was moved/redirected to Indian Territory in the American Civil War as result of this 2008 RM discussion.

Not checking all, but Colorado, Nebraska, Montana, Washington, Idaho, Utah, others which were not yet states (see List of U.S. states by date of admission to the Union) remain listed in Outline of the American Civil War as if they were states, too. Redirects of this type should be deleted IMHO. --Doncram (talk) 20:45, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The difference here is that Wyoming Territory didn't exist either and there is no clear redirect target. Keeping the title implies there was any sense of anything by the name of Wyoming involved in the Civil War, which there wasn't. And functionally all the article's content isn't about the Civil War, but about, basically, the American Indian Wars, so there's nothing worth merging. Not to mention that simply saying other stuff exists is not a convincing reason to keep (or in this case merge) Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 20:49, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, changing to "Delete" as i gather there's nothing to merge. I do not want for "X in the ACW" to appear anywhere in wikipedia, if X did not exist during ACW. Please do note by your reasoning that the other ones I mention are also problematic. --Doncram (talk) 21:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've opened up Talk:Nebraska in the American Civil War#Requested move 4 October 2022. Nebraska troops did fight Confederates; the others mentioned did have some involvement with stuff like the Sand Creek massacre that's really the Indian Wars but is occasionally referred to as being part of the Civil War for reasons I've never found satisfactory. Hog Farm _Talk 21:43, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Totally an aside, but I think it has something to do with the time frame and the stated reason for raising Colorado volunteers (Sibley and all that). As I've said elsewhere, the Indian Wars stuff on Wiki is a mess. Intothat darkness 01:48, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.