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George Best

Hi there. I think that your change strikes a fair balance. I thought that Bingham's considerataion of Best for 1982 was worth mentioning, although on reflection I agree that I put too great an emphasis on it in my original edit. I think it a terrible shame Best never played in the World Cup; his career coming at the wrong time, particularly when Northern Ireland qualified in 1958 and then back to back in 1982 and 1986. Very sad loss indeed.

Thanks for taking my comments on board, and bringing the right balance to them.

All the best (no pun intended!)

Preview Button

If you are editing an article please use the preview button just next to the save button to have a preview of your changes. Look at the Bismarck article history: You created ~15 restoring points within an hour of editing. Two or three would have been enough. --Denniss 05:01, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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RE:ReggieJackson HomeRun.jpg

In reply to your email --

I'm am glad that you are going to the extra effort to determine the copyright status of any images you upload. The source for ReggieJackson HomeRun.jpg (http://www.africanamericans.com/} claims copyright and all rights are reserved. If you find an image on a website it's probably best to poke around on the site and check for copyright notices. I hope this answers your question. A note on my talk page will get a quicker reply than an email. -- No Guru 03:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Other image problems

Hello Bigpad. There are problems with each of the other images that you have uploaded, including Image:Echarlton.jpg, Image:Gdott.jpg, and Image:39586555 davis203.jpg. Be aware that there are many examples of copyright infringement — including dubious claims of fair use — on Wikipedia that have not net been cleaned-up. It is therefore not safe to simply copy what you see being done with images in other articles. Please read the following pages very carefully before uploading any additional images:

In particular, websites do not need to state that an image is copyrighted in order for it to receive protection under the law. All contemporary works are copyrighted by default; do not lightly claim that images are public domain without being certain that that is the case. Also note fair use counterexamples 4 and 5 before claiming fair use of an image. Finally, remember that Wikipedia is a free content encyclopedia, and does not allow copyrighted images of any kind when there are free alternatives available. There is substantial opportunity to procure or produce free images of individuals such as living, active snooker players, and thus little justification for the use a copyrighted photo from a press agency.

If you have any questions, you can ask them at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Regards. ×Meegs 09:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: stop vandalism

Given I am the one removing vandalism from the snooker page I would advise you to retract your accusation. Please check the snooker page history, Bigez was the one adding a load of chimp rubbish - something he has been warned for (by me once with a test4 - the warning you added to his user page was in the wrong place - warnings should go in the talk page, otherwise a user doesn't know they are there) and I removed his vandalism [1]. Please check the sequence of events more carefully before you throw around accusations of vandalism. Thank you. SFC9394 10:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is quite alright - mistakes happen! In general when warning vandals it is easier to use the {{test}} templates. They allow a standard warning form and ensure if a vandal doesn't cease then when reporting him to WP:AIV they can be quickly dealt with (if a vandal has the full 'suite' of test warnings and hasn't stopped then a block is straight forward). An additional benefit of the templates are that they aren't too personal, sometimes with vandals if an informal warning is too personal then it may act as a form of a challenge to the vandal to defy it rather than cease. Best wishes for your future editing. SFC9394 13:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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disambiguation

You replaced the content of Abdul Salaam with a disambiguation page, and created a new page, Abdul Salaam (Guantanamo detainee), where you cut and pasted the old contents of the original Abdul Salaam article.

That is not the best way to create disambiguation pages. Cutting and pasting, like you did, obscures the edit history. You could have:

  1. moved the original [[Abdul Salaam]] to [[Abdul Salaam (Guantanamo detainee)]]
  2. You could then have edited the new article named [[Abdul Salaam]], which the move had created, and which started as a simple redirection to [[Abdul Salaam (Guantanamo detainee)]], and turned it into the disambiguation page.

This approach leaves the edit history, and the talk page, if it existed, easily accessible to future editors.

You also forgot to add a disambiguation line to Abdul Salaam (football player).

Have a nice day. -- Geo Swan 13:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

edit history

If you really think it is important for the [[Abdul Salaam]] article serve as the disambiguation page, without screwing around with the edit history for the previously existing article, you will have to ask for the help of an administrator.

I have no objection, in principle, to it being the disambiguation page. However, you put this beyond the power of ordinary users.

Normally, as I explained before, if you or I, or any ordinary user, wanted to create an article for a second individual who shared the same name as someone who already had an existing article, one option would be to move the existing article to a qualified name -- thus preserving its edit history, and associated talk page, if any. But you close this option, by creating an article with the appropriate name. So, moving the article won't work now, because the target name already exists.

Please undo the changes you made today. -- Geo Swan 20:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

George Best

I found Bobby Charlton's quote pretty hard to place in the article. I felt that the paragraph should have ended with "Maradona good, Pele better, and George Best", rather than being (slightly) interrupted by Charlton.

bismarck

i only changed the "try and rescue" once, and yes it is necessary, because "try and rescue" is improper english. this is an encylopedia, and should be written like one. Parsecboy 20:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Snooker: end of frame

Hi, What aspect of the above needed revising? I have reverted the last edit (not done by you by done on your prompting!, which only made a tricky enough section even more complicated. My wording was succinct, as opposed to a detailed explanation of every contingency bigpad 08:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, I just thought a bit more detail could be added since I've always seen Wikipedia as the pursuit of collaborating as much knowledge as possible. I can see why such elaboration might not be too easy on the reader if you're reading it as a non-author or have no knowledge of the game (which of course many wouldn't when perusing the article). If you only meant to revert the last edit then I'm afraid you took out more than that, it's down to a barer format than when I padded it out. Just a question of finding a balance between being laconic and informative I guess. By "editing properly" I was referring more to a tinkering with the grammar/spelling of editors who had added to this section since you did, because some of it was a bit crap if you look at what I changed. Didn't mean to cause any offence. Kris 10:15, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kris, no offence taken or suggested! As you say, striking the balance between the casual browser and subject expert can be difficult. Maybe it wouldn't hurt to expand things a little, e.g. "A concession, when one player gives up due to being too far behind to have a realistic chance of winning the frame [without extra points from a large number of snookers]"
Something brief along these lines for the various scenarios might be ok. The only concern is that article is a little "dense" already and not that easy to follow. So we want to avoid making it any more like a Civil Service document. I keep an eye on it to try and cut down on unnecessary tinkering but it's always good to have additional feedback. All the best, Patrick
No problems Patrick, I think the section says all it really needs to now as per this discussion – I made a couple of tweaks but nothing too pedantic I hope, feel free to change further. Cheers, Kris 12:53, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Snooker Page

On the wider issue of the article page I was glad to read your comments on the talk page. I think it would be nice to give the whole page a thoroughly good modernisation and clean up. Minor details of the rules such as:


is not what a reader wanting to find out about the game of snooker wants to read. The rules should be demerged into a separate article (if one doesn't already exist). There are loads of other things that could be tidied up/better explained/made to look better. I have a good few things running on WP at the moment but I will happily chip in a bit of work if you want to get the wheels moving (a full blown WIP page as I am shepherding for Physics may not be required, but it would be nice to gather a group of editors who can work together). It would also be good to work on this while there is a bit of extra interest during the season, with everything polished up for the World Championship starting. January sounds like a sensible time to start - the festive season being upon us some good WP time is hard to squeeze in at the moment! SFC9394 20:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for uploading Image:39586555 davis203.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

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Graeme Dott

Could you, please, send me the image you uploaded here, but which was subsequently deleted, to yvohofmans@yahoo.com? Extremely sexy 19:48, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Nijinsky II

I removed your comment because it was not referenced. Any time you insert a quote as fact you must supply the sources (Wikipedia:Citing sources) and they must be credible (Wikipedia:Reliable sources). The comment on Lester Piggott is a a derogatory one and should never appear in an encyclopedia unless it can be properly documented. Out of courtesy to you, I left it in for the time being but inserted the proper [citation needed] notice. Thanx. Handicapper 15:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. You might be interested in my comments at Talk:Nijinsky II regarding Find A Grave.

According to Mr. Neil O'Connor of Timeform, Nijinsky's highest Timeform rating was 138. - Handicapper 14:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a fair amount of work but I'll probably update the Timeform page in a day or two to sort out the Offical Timeform ratings from those reported by jockey.com or delete the latter pending their confirmation. Handicapper 17:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


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Hi, No problem. I have rewritten that page. Some of the information is additional or adds to work I created on Wiki (e.g. the Sailortown link or the name of the streer in which the subject lived). I am also from that district of Belfast and remember that the subject attended my grandfather's funeral in 1979. I was surprised that there was no Wiki page on Rinty, one of our city's sporting heroes, and was pleased to "create it", so to speak. Anyhow, if what's there does not meet the bill I doubt that anyone could rewrite it much differently, as the bare facts are true.
Incidentally, in the category "People from Belfast", I am listed under "P" instead of "M". How is this rectified? bigpad 19:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the rewrite, and the great article! (I fixed the cat by typing Category:People from Belfast|Monagahan, Rinty.) Pan Dan 20:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong address

Please remove your message from my talk page ASAP. You appear to be confusing me with User:Greglocock. Thanks. Pan Dan 21:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have responded to your um, message, on my talk page. I await further action with great interest. Greglocock 21:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies, Bigpad. I didn't read your message properly. I genuinely thought you meant to leave that message on Greglocock's talk page, because I didn't read it through. So anyway, to get to the substance of your request. I'm not an admin so I can't really address the issue. If you would like to get an admin's attention, I suggest you see Wikipedia:List_of_admins. Once again, I am very sorry for telling you to remove your message from my talk page. I will put it back. Take care, Pan Dan 21:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

George Best

The myth that George Best is one of the greatest of all time is more of a local notion, or rather British if you will, than global. I appreciate the impact he had on the British psyche but outside the UK he is not universally viewed as one of the greatest of all time and can therefore not be labelled as such in the article - a pedigree one should use only very sparingly. Outside British sentiment, incl. misused and non-existent quotes attributed to Pele, there isn't very much to back this claim of being among the very greatest.