Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ADHDtv

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The result was DELETE. postdlf (talk) 15:22, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ADHDtv

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Non-notable television show created as part of one editor's self-promotion (see: Lewismash (talk · contribs) & Lewis Marklin Mash). The cited references don't help to establish notability as they're self-referential or apparently broken; Variety Magazine is cited but only the homepage is linked and ADHDtv fails to turn up anything internally. I haven't been able to locate proper external sourcing to indicate notability. This press release claims that "The show competed for a regional Emmy, but was edged out by more traditional, mainstream shows" but the only details I can find about this are from user-created IMDB content claiming two 2008 nomination in the "Southwest" region...this may refer to the region known as Pacific Southwest but, the actual list of nominations doesn't include anything relating to this show. tvguide.com hosts a few videos but they have no discussion of the content. I just don't think this passes WP:NOTE. — Scientizzle 15:47, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This show never aired on national TV in any form, and it looks likely if it aired at all on regional TV, the reason it was never nominated for an Emmy was because according to the show's Facebook page, it's a cable access show. Emmys are never given out to public access shows because they aren't under their purview. Thus, it's a non-notable cable access show with an equally non-notable web viewership. Nate • (chatter) 19:49, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. —— Scientizzle 21:01, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are incorrect sir. The show started on Public access tv, was syndicated to 50 US cities and now ranks higher than half of the network shows on iMDB. The show is the first cable access show to compete for an Emmy. It is world famous. Just because you have not watched the show, does not mean that it is not note worthy to those who want the facts about the show and its creator. This is a pertinent piece of American Television history, when a public domain TV series competed with network produced shows. This is not self promotion. There is nothing on this page that promotes any person or product. This is history and facts, that a member of the general public should have access to. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.56.147 (talk • contribs) 00:19, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

If it's world famous, please cite reliable sources that substantively discuss the show. Please also clarify the Emmy award nomination...it's not at all clear. — Scientizzle 02:42, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The show aired nationally for 2 years, there are fans around the world who watch it on tv and now via the internet, however, finding articles is not that easy. There have been some articles, but most of them are either gone or hard to find because the show was not created by a major network. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lewismash (talk • contribs)

Comment Most of the results I'm seeing are for very unrelated projects which deal with the actual condition ADHD and how parents and children can learn to live with it, not this show. Also, I find it very dubious the show was nominated for an Emmy (as noted above, Emmys generally only deal with traditional full-power broadcasting and major regional cable networks, not public access television), and not just because it's nothing but interviews from press junkets which aren't very extraordinary at all. A Los Angeles production must go through the local Emmy show, not the Pacific Southwest show, which is that way because you don't want the LA people winning everything at the cost of San Diego, Phoenix, Las Vegas, etc. Also, if it airs in fifty markets across the nation, I'd like examples please. I live in an area where I can receive the stations of three top 50 markets, and I have never seen this show at all, including Chicago, Milwaukee and Grand Rapids. Please give us station calls and timeslots.

Finally, interviews of the sort that are seen on this show are not "public domain"; they require the permission of the studio whose subject is being interviewed to be aired, so that claim is also dubious. And also, all of your contributions under your named and IP accounts have been solely dealing with subjects involving this program, thus there is self-promotion. Nate • (chatter) 06:52, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at the LA area 2008 Emmy nominations and I still find nothing to verify the Emmy claim. — Scientizzle 13:34, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Offensive content from Lewismash removed. Relevant points have been retained in this section — Scientizzle 16:49, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

The show was based in Santa Barbara, which is part of the Pacific Southwest Chapter of the Emmy's. The show aired in 50 markets, on Public Access and cable cast. Those channel calls are in TV guide for a limited time. The Emmy's are not limited to Network shows. The show was eligible in all 50 markets where there are regional Emmy's, but the show specifically chose to compete in it's hometown market. The show, incidentally had more viewers than all the other regional competing shows, but because of Emmy politics, this show was not going to win, and it was not expected to.
The other ADHDtv you [Nate] found, about the medical term, is a newer show, and since ADHDtv: With Lew Marklin has not aired in almost 2 years, you must type in the full name in the search engine to tell the Google bots and web crawlers to search for older material, which there is no shortage of web material on the show.
Furthermore, the interviews are public domain, because the celebrities are public domain figures and the show was non-commercial in nature and no direct copyrights were exercised, which means, in layman terms, that any Joe off the street, could access and use them. Once the studio releases the celebrity to be interviewed, they no longer lay claim to the footage.

Putting aside the above personal attacks and threats of violence--for which I just blocked Lewismash (talk · contribs)--Here is a google serach for "ADHDtv: With Lew Marklin", from which I've found nothing new to meet WP:V and WP:NOTE.

Additionally, with the confirmation that it's the Pacific Southwest Chapter of the Emmy's that we should be looking at, here are the nomination lists for 2007, 2008, & 2009. I cannot find this show or person on any of these lists. Please let me know if you do. — Scientizzle 22:00, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And according to the show's IMDB FAQ the program was nominated for "variety show" and "variety show host", categories which do not exist at all for the PSC Emmys show, nor the LA show. Nate • (chatter) 00:21, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Scientizzle. V and N both seem in question. The autobio should be nominated also, no? –SJ + 00:26, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I had planned on seeing the outcome or likely outcome of this discussion before pushing forward on the autobio. The bio claims several possible lines of notability, but this show appears to be the major component. — Scientizzle 16:52, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete per the above; no evidence of notability. I agree that the bio should be AfD'd as well (for the same reasons) EyeSerene^talk 12:02, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am simply listing a television show on wikipedia that existed and aired throughout the country. [personal attack redacted] — Scientizzle 16:35, 11 March 2011 (UTC) Anyone can criticize an article, pick it apart, or make fun of someone's attempt to record information in a new forum, but a true gentlemen and scholar attempts to remedy a problem rather than just tear it down, as this guy did in his rude wording. The show includes some very notable people. All of the actors have been on various television shows and movies. Alexa Demara is a recognized model, Melissa Evans was one of the 8 fired news press writers who were fired in 2007, which made national headlines, prompted 2 years of debates across college campuses, and prompted the documentary film "Citizen McCaw, as was John Zant (one of the 8 reporters). It is ludicrous to say that I am somehow self promoting a project that is no longer on the air, however, it is quite relevant to actual people, who look up this information, for reports, articles and reference to television, private syndication and public access history to either report on the careers of the people who started their acting careers on the show, or to report on the show in reference to other shows with similar goals, as a precedent reference. This wikipedia article accomplishes the "dubious" task of putting all of the info in one place, to make it easier for those people to get whatever info there is, in one place, rather than have to sort through about 100 or so links on google, yahoo, or wherever else. It is up to you guys if you want to help me list what is listable, or just delete the profile. It is out of my hands. What I will tell you, is that the group attended the Pacific Southwest Emmy's in 2008, by invite and competed for 2 Emmy's. The contact person for the chapter is Liz Korda. Throughout the country, there are chapters with more public broadcast categories and some Emmy chapters are even recognizing web broadcast pieces, but the Pacific Southwest Chapter is a very competitive chapter, that does not usually have too much outside of broadcast news, so this show was a very rare entry. The entire cast attended the award gala. I do not know where to find info that supports. So, if that is an issue, then remove that portion, but everything else on this page is relevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.21.1.14 (talk) 13:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lewis Marklin Mash. — Scientizzle 15:40, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. So far, I have been unable to locate many sources to verify this article. I did find, however, television listings from Newspaper Archive which independently verify that this program aired in Santa Barbara, California, in 2008. I have been unable to verify any other cities at this time. Lewis, does the production company maintain any on-line information about where else the show was seen, or on what stations or cable programs the series was syndicated? Even a site which is now offline would be useful. Even a regionally-aired program could be considered notable, if some sources can be found. Firsfron of Ronchester 04:31, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not even one Google news/news archive hit for Lew Marklin suggests the claims of the article cannot be true. Even Duke Fightmaster doesn't have an article! (highly recommended "This American Life" piece on the saga of a homegrown talk show host)--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 03:26, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This can be closed as a delete, no need to leave open in the carry over lists!--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 03:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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