Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Rebel Legion

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) -- Dane2007 ^talk 02:28, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Rebel Legion

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This has been tagged for notability since2015 but no evidence for notability has appeared. The only ref that is not an own-web-site link is a blog entry at starwars.com. This isn't notability as defined by WP:GNG. This looks very much like over-zealous fandom. Velella ^{Velella Talk} 13:12, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, As i am not native speaker (only filling in datas) i will aks the Public Relation Officer of our club to answer. But please notice that this club is a worldwide - charity - club, not an "over-zealous fandom".

please also take a look at the "talk" of this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Rebel_Legion

Thank you! yours Leroni — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leroni Verderoc (talk • contribs) 13:45, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Our notability is that almost every picture you see of people wearing Star Wars "Good Guy" costumes is one of us. We are nearly at 5000 members now and are in 42 countries around the world. We raised $650,000 for charity last year (mostly make a wish). — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrTexas (talk • contribs) 17:07, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@MrTexas: That's awesome! Got some reliable secondary sources supporting your organization's notability? --Hammersoft (talk) 21:44, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Doing Major League Baseball Games: https://www.facebook.com/Cardinals/videos/10154849454736840/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4snpmH3HLY http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8067842/v101389783/star-wars-characters-celebrate-may-4-at-fenway-park https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60FL8-7uwkc "over-zealous" fan groups dont get invited to be main attractions at Major League baseball games.

Our Wookiepedia link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rebel_Legion

Mentioned in published books: https://books.google.com/books?id=uG0uCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT39&dq=rebel+legion&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-0IbK8ajOAhWM6YMKHUYdA3cQ6AEIJDAB#v=onepage&q=rebel%20legion&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=GfyICgAAQBAJ&pg=PA33&dq=rebel+legion&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvrLjg8ajOAhUI0YMKHU6GBeAQ6AEINzAE#v=onepage&q=rebel%20legion&f=false

An article from The Nerdist about us doing charity work: http://nerdist.com/get-to-know-the-charitable-side-of-the-501st-and-rebel-legions/

Our Facebook page with 120,000 likes: https://www.facebook.com/therebellegion/?fref=ts

If this isnt enough, let me know, I can find a lot more — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrTexas (talk • contribs) 23:18, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, facebook and wikia aren't going to count as reliable secondary sources. Please read WP:RS. --Hammersoft (talk) 23:54, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I read it, Im not exactly sure what you want. If you have ever been to a comic con, or a parade, or literally ANYTHING that is a Star Wars event, we are there. I talk to LucasFilm on a weekly basis. I mean if you google X Wing Pilot or Jedi, every picture of someone not from the movies is a member of our group. Our costumes range from $500 to $3,000 and can take over a year to complete. We arent a Halloween costume group. If the 501st Legion is worthy of a wiki page, we are too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrTexas (talk • contribs) 01:56, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's ok to not understand. Wikipedia's rules are a bit...maybe considerably...arcane. Bear with me a moment (I'm voting to keep; I just want to explain). That a group is "there" at an event does not make them notable. That you talk to LucasFilm frequently does not make your group notable. That there are plenty of pictures of people in your organization does not make your organization notable. The cost in time and money to create a costume does not make you notable. Not being a Halloween costume group does not make you notable. As to the existence of the 501st Legion article, that is an argument to keep something because something similar exists on the project, which is an argument we do not use here. More information on that is available at WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. With all respect, nothing you've said is a convincing argument that we should keep this article. The gold standard here is coverage in reliable media outlets that are independent of your group. WP:GNG covers this. I hope this helps. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:07, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There's substantial coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject (example, more at [1]). It's a clear pass of WP:GNG. A huge amount of trimming of fluff, indiscriminate collection of information reversal, and pushing towards encyclopedic tone needs to be done, but this is not a reason to delete. --Hammersoft (talk) 13:07, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 10:45, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:17, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - though I'd be happier if there were more sources that didn't have "Star Wars" in the domain name. This Wired article may help: [2] Artw (talk) 04:25, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Dane2007 ^talk 12:19, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is a noteworthy organization, and actively linked to the 501st Costuming Club (a fact noted on the latters page) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balkris (talk • contribs) 14:56, 8 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but remove all uncited cruft. . . Mean as custard (talk) 17:00, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(I do not usually edit Wikia articles, apologies if this is formatted incorrectly) You may be having trouble finding references to the Rebel Legion's work because much of it is done with sick children and we sign confidentiality agreements. That tends to cut down on media coverage, but that does not make what we do less notable. However, I did find a couple more articles: Another from The Nerdist: http://nerdist.com/wondercon-the-rebel-legion-and-501st-legion-talk-costuming/ io9 rehashed the starwars.com article: http://io9.gizmodo.com/read-up-on-the-history-of-the-rebel-legion-costuming-gr-1714367742 If it helps, here's a picture from a check presentation to Seattle Children's Hospital: https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-qTwGk8v/0/M/i-qTwGk8v-M.jpg The Washington State branch of the Rebel Legion raised $20,000 for Seattle Children's over a single weekend at Emerald City Comic Con in collaboration with the 501st Legion, our sister organization. This is pretty typical for what each branch of the Legion will raise at their large local convention, varying of course with the size of the convention itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.161.13.245 (talk) 05:09, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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