Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Papy Abedi

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The result was keep. There is a clear majority for keeping per WP:MMANOT, although there is also consensus that he only just satisfies the proposed notability guideline. Michig (talk) 08:23, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Papy Abedi

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Notability has yet to be established. If he gets a fight against more notable opponents in the UFC, then recreate the page. JonnyBonesJones (talk) 07:42, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 08:27, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I was going to not vote and simply comment that I didn't see the point of nominating articles for people who have a 90% chance of passing WP:MMANOT within a year (since he's still in the UFC), but after looking at his record Abedi had a fight for Shooto in addition to two for the UFC. That makes three fights for top-tier organizations per WP:MMANOT. He passes WP:MMANOT. He should not be up for nomination. Beansy (talk) 07:04, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If those two UFC fights were wins I would agree with the above. Two losses make a fight soon unlikely especially since the last one was eight months ago with no hint of another chance. Shooto Finland events art not top tier.Peter Rehse (talk) 09:06, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Where in any policies does it talk about a win or a loss mattering? PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 04:05, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He will have a notable fight again. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 10:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - That's WP:CRYSTAL. Both UFC fights were losses, fails WP:MMANOT. --LlamaAl (talk) 15:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Borderline Keep - As he has fought twice for the UFC and is still under contract I don't see a clear reason. Although his fight for shooto was shooto:finland which should not be considered the same organization. He had a third UFC fight scheduled but bowed out due to injury, unless that injury forces him to retire or he is shelved for over 1+ years he will compete at least one more time in the UFC.Thaddeus Venture (talk) 16:15, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 16:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep — The article technically passes WP:NMMA (2 bouts for the UFC and 1 for Shooto). He's also still on the UFC roster: link. Poison Whiskey 00:27, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - As PRehse states above, Shooto Finland events are not top tier. --LlamaAl (talk) 03:38, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Says who? It is apart of the Shooto Umbrella. I think you all should read that ref I posted and find out what Shooto really is. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 08:34, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Going by strict policy (which is the norm around here), Shooto (all of it) is considered top-tier. Going by practicality, this guy is almost certainly going to have a third UFC fight as he is still under contract (he even had one scheduled at one point but got injured). Either way the article is not something that should be deleted. Beansy (talk) 06:44, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I did think it was only regular Japanese Shooto that counted, but Shooto is listed as a top tier promotion, and it never did specify the location or brand type of Shooto, it just said Shooto. Caio Magalhaes was kept largely because of his fights in Shooto Brazil. So i guess Shooto Finland could count as well. All interesting points brought up here. JonnyBonesJones (talk) 07:54, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Jussier Da Silva was #1 when he came from Shooto Brazil to the Tachi Palace Fights. But that's neither here nor there. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 08:20, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weakest Possible Keep Per the letter of the law of WP:MMANOT and for consistency's sake, although Shooto Finland being considered a top tier organization seems a little off to me. CaSJer (talk) 21:40, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Meets WP:NMMA. Sepulwiki (talk) 12:55, 22 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.