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As stated earlier and sourced in the article, Starship Entertainment only explicitly announced and confirmed that the 3 Chinese members (Xuanyi, Cheng Xiao, and Meiqi) had departed from the group following the expiration of their contracts. However, it wasn't explicitly announced nor confirmed by Starship that Luda and Dawon had departed from the group other than confirming that they chose not to renew their contract with them.
As per English Wikipedia guidelines and policies, we should NOT and must NOT add original research and thoughts and speculation into the article hence until we have actual explicit announcement with actual confirmation, the status quo of Luda and Dawon will remains as it as current member. —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)06:15, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@121.133.40.84 It wasn't explicit confirmed by Starship themselves neither does the partially quoted statement from Starship included in the article you provided stating anything of such. Fyi, news articles headline can be misleading and clickbait at times, of which this is one of them as heading doesn't correlate with content. —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)07:11, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Other Korean members of WJSN, Luda and Da-won, were also excluded from the team as they completed their exclusive contracts with Starship. Sun Eui, Cheng Xiao, and Mi Gi, Chinese members of Yue Hua Entertainment, who worked with WJSN, also automatically terminated their contracts as Cosmic Girls.
There has been no direct confirmation of Korean members Luda and Dawon leaving WJSN despite not renewing. Until then, they will remain listed as members of the group. Btspurplegalaxy💬🖊️07:38, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
NO. IT IS ALREADY CONFIRMED. Why don't you admit that 2 members of group have left? Even member said it on Instagram. do you want some translations? 121.133.40.84 (talk) 07:56, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You'll need to provide a source that explicitly states she has left the group. Referring to translations of her letter, I have not found any mention that she has formally left. Btspurplegalaxy💬🖊️08:25, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't you admit it? A number of sources have already shown that the Chinese and two Korean members have excluded from the group and not renewing their contracts. See the news from [2] I ALREADY SAID ON ABOVE.
Other Korean members of WJSN, Luda and Da-won, were also excluded from the team as they completed their exclusive contracts with Starship. Sun Eui, Cheng Xiao, and Mi Gi, Chinese members of Yue Hua Entertainment, who worked with WJSN, also automatically terminated their contracts as Cosmic Girls. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 09:04, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
[4]
some members of WJSN, a female idol group that marks its 7th anniversary this year, leave the team.
Starship Entertainment said in an official statement on the 3rd, "Recently, eight members of WJSN, Exy, Seol-A, Bona, Soobin, Eunseo, Yeoreum, Dayoung, and Yeon-jung, have been re-signed," adding, "Luda and Da-won have long and in-depth discussions, but unfortunately, they have completed the exclusive contract."
"I would like to express my deep gratitude for the hard work and dedication that Luda and Dawon have shown so far. We respect the choices of Luda and Dawon, and will support and support new activities and the way forward. In addition, the three members of Yuehua Entertainment, Sun Eui, Cheng Xiao, and Mei Ki, who worked with WJSN, will automatically terminate their contracts as WJSN, he said.
--121.133.40.84 (talk) 09:37, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's not uncommon that idols leave their respective companies and still remain as members of their groups. But you've been told several times, you'll have to wait. Btspurplegalaxy💬🖊️09:42, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my goodness. Even I give the fact from reliable source(he gave the WP:KO/RS and i accept it) which you said, you don't accept it. STOP AND ADMIT THE FACT. You make me angry. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 09:47, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is clear that the two Korean members have already withdrawn from the group. People who revert the article act like turning a blind eye to the truth so as not to accept the facts. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 09:52, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@121.133.40.84 Firstly, please stop your WP:SHOUT, this is unacceptable behaviour. Secondly, I believed I had already answered all of your repetitive (read as spam) queries pertaining to the same topic in my initial reply today at 07:11 UTC whether you read it or don't like it doesn't change my mind. In addition, Dawon IG post which I had also read it only indicated her thanking Starship and asking fans to support her moving forward nowhere in her IG's post caption indicating she had left WJSN. Thirdly, I echo the same thoughts as what fellow editors had replied above. Lastly, there are clear consensus as of this comment that the status quo remains as it's. —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)10:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't shout to you. My opinion is not a spam. I don't quite understand that my fact is called "spam" even though I've proven the truth.
You're just not admitting my facts. Members withdrawal is fact. Isn't Wikipedia a site to write down facts? Have you ever read my sources? 121.133.40.84 (talk) 10:55, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I want to ask you something. Why don't you admit the facts and revert my edits even though I bring so many sources?
@121.133.40.84 Fyi, WP:SHOUT to anyone here regardless of registered editor or unregistered editor is an unacceptable behaviour. While your opinion isn't a spam but you repeating the same thing over and over again is per WP:EXHAUST, and also this isn't a WP:BATTLEGROUND. Do also read WP:TRUE and WP:TRUTH. As of this comment, you don't have any consensus to change the status quo of which 3 editors (including me) had oppose your arguments. —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)11:06, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I told you. It is clear that leaving the group is already decided. Officially, they said "8 memebers system"(13 - 3 chinese - 2 Korean members) from various news. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 11:14, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@121.133.40.84 Enough is enough, at this point you're simply being WP:DISRUPTIVE. As stated earlier, it wasn't explicitly confirmed by Starship themselves nor the members. We look at the article content NOT the headline as headline can be misleading and clickbait at times, of which multiple source that you had included here, all of them has headline that doesn't correlate with the content. —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)11:23, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not editing after 52-whalien's restoration. im just talking in wikipedia page. not WP:DISRUPTIVE
Then i want to ask you. Why is the withdrawal of a Chinese member accepted? According to your logic, only "Chinese members have not renewed their contracts" is on the news. Could you give me the "reliable sources"?121.133.40.84 (talk) 11:29, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@121.133.40.84 I'm actually referring to your behaviour here. For the Chinese members, the various news articles DOES explicitly stated such (if you read partially or only read headline for whatever unknown reason then this isn't my problem) and is inline with Starship Entertainment official full statement. —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)11:42, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
statement? i bring some translations
Hello. This is Starship Entertainment.
First of all, we once again express deep gratitude to UJUNG (WJSN’s fan club) domestically and abroad who provide unchanging love and support for WJSN.
Starship Entertainment recently renewed contracts with the eight members Exy, Seola, Bona, Soobin, Eunseo, Yeoreum, Dayoung, and Yeonjung of our agency artist WJSN.
We carried out sincere and in-depth discussions with members Luda and Dawon for a long time, but unfortunately our exclusive contracts [with Luda and Dawon] will come to an end. We express deep gratitude for the great efforts and dedication shown by Luda and Dawon until now. We respect the decisions of Luda and Dawon and will cheer on and support their new activities and paths ahead. In addition, as for the three members Xuan Yi, Cheng Xiao, and Mei Qi of Yuehua Entertainment who joined WJSN promotions, their contracts as WJSN have automatically come to an end.
Regarding the members who we renewed contracts with based on our loyalty and faith for each other, we will contribute all of our efforts for WJSN’s activities and for the members to shine brighter with their activities in various fields, and we promise to not hold back on providing our full and systematic support.
Please show warm encouragement and support for the WJSN members who are standing at a new starting line.
Thank you.
(i didn't translated the Starship Entertainment statement, translations from here)
@121.133.40.84 I'm pretty sure I'm not blind. This statement "for the three members ... of Yuehua Entertainment who joined WJSN promotions, their contracts as WJSN have automatically come to an end" explicit stated that for the Chinese members. Whereas this statement "We express deep gratitude for the great efforts and dedication shown by Luda and Dawon until now. We respect the decisions of Luda and Dawon and will cheer on and support their new activities and paths ahead" doesn't explicit stated that Luda and Dawon had left the group and is also ambiguous with multiple interpretation of which we shouldn't WP:SPECULATION when it's unclear and the ambiguity is high.
Regardless, this was already answered right from the beginning. I also don't see how this discussion between you and me would go anywhere, I continued to oppose your argument echoing the same stand as the other 2 editors hence this will be my last reply to you exclusively unless something changes between now and then (of which the term "then" has no deadline). Goodbye for now! —Paper9oll(🔔 • 📝)12:01, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I also pretty sure im not blind. "new activities and paths ahead". If two members keep WJSN member, would they say "new activities and paths ahead"? if they contracted new agency, and keeps WJSN member, they wouldn't say like that and mention it in detail. But two members even doesn't have a agency at now. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 12:15, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Give it a rest. We've already explained to you how it was. It's not necessary to drag this out any longer. There has already been a consensus reached on this matter. Btspurplegalaxy💬🖊️12:29, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Don't ignore the facts. Several other language wikipedia accecpted the withdrawal of 2 members and fixed that. Only English Wikipedia doesn't admit it. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 13:28, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop arguing, Wikipedia in different languages have different rules. English Wikipedia does not need to have the same content as them. Lightoil (talk) 13:35, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also, WJSN is a South Korean group. So i gave reliable sources from Korean news and I even translated it to explain in English. But all of you don't accecpt the facts. What more can I do for it?
There is something you need to know, and other people knew that two Korean members had left, so they tried to revise it. In other words, I am not the only one making this argument. 121.133.40.84 (talk) 13:53, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Be patient please, don't just initially puts other people under your fire because of things that is vague and didn't explicitly stated. Many reports say that they're just completed their contract and didn't even stated they had leave the group aside of Chinese members, Momoland & Gfriend confirms their disband by posting handwritten letters saying that they're no longer a group, but we need news reports source to make sure everyone knows everything and not just straight up jump into their SNS for so. You can't simply force people to accept things that <you think as a fact>. Please watch for your behavior as well, we're all had been told by the policies to stay civil and polite when discussing Egapehtnokcilc (talk) 13:59, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't put on fire to Btspurplegalaxy and Paper9oll. They made me angry first for reverting the article thousands time. They said "give me the reliable sources". I gave numerous news and facts. But they just ignored my words and keep reverting the article.
How will you be responsible for this action if I'm right? I edited the document because I am Korean so I can check the information faster, so why should this be ignored? Is English Wikipedia unfriendly to people from other non-English speaking countries? 121.133.40.84 (talk) 14:23, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
