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The "Education and science" section

I believe the section Serbs#Education and science (permalink: [1]) doesn't belong here. Because the reasons for this also concern a few other articles, I've brought it up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups#The "art and science" sections of some articles. – Uanfala (talk) 23:58, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is all sourced material and as we can see on Bulgarians, Albanians, Italians, Greeks, Han Chinese, Arabs, Czechs, Romanians, Indian people etc. pages, it is also presented but all of the sudden it is a problem to mention some people being Serbs, really? This is obvious WP:GAMING. Theonewithreason (talk) 16:51 19.April 2022 (UTC)

How Roger Joseph Boscovich is of paternal Serbian origin? This is a fringe theory, maintained only by Serbian researchers. Jingiby (talk) 17:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are different sources about his origin, but you also removed Tesla, Milankovic and others what is excuse for that? Theonewithreason (talk) 17:03 19.April 2022 (UTC)

I had removed most of the similar content from the Bulgarians article a few months ago, and I'd also support the removal of the remaining two paragraphs at Bulgarians#Art and science. There are few other ethnicity articles with similar content, almost all of them in the Balkans (I wonder why). As for Albanians, I don't notice anything of that sort there, am I missing anything?. The place for this type of content (where relevant at all, and at a suitable level of detail) is within the country articles: Serbia#Education and science, etc. – Uanfala (talk) 17:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is a whole section of arts and literature that mentions significant people on Albanians page, anyway there is no restrictions to mention those people on any wikipedia page, as for Serbs page, some of the most renowned Serbs were in that field, so removing it does not make any sense.Theonewithreason (talk) 17:15 19.April 2022 (UTC)

There are no objections to including such material on the country articles, what we're talking about here are the ethnicity articles. – Uanfala (talk) 18:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

For this material previously there were no objections from anybody, which means that if you want to remove it, first you need to reach a consensus, second, this rule then needs to be applied on every article and that is a big decisions by a multiple editors, I would recommend a restriction until those requirements are achieved.Theonewithreason (talk) 18:04 19.April 2022 (UTC)

We already have the implicit larger-scale consensus: with the exception of Serbs, Bulgarians and a couple of other pages, no ethnicity article includes such content. – Uanfala (talk) 18:13, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well if you look above after a short search I have found a lot more than a few pages containing this sections in the article, who knows how many of them are there so obviously there is no consensus, I also saw that nobody answered you when you posted that on March 9th [[2]] so like I said you need to reach it, as for this page, my vote is oppose.Theonewithreason (talk) 18:30 19.April 2022 (UTC)

No sourced material will be removed. I saw funny comments by Uanfala how nations with "inferiority complex" write about results of their academics and scientists. FYI, there is no such thing in psychology. On the contrary, based on my casual observations over the years, I dare say that the majority of Serbs feel superior to most of their neighbors, who were on the losing sides of both world wars. And they respect only Greeks as superior to them, in the Balkans at least. Jingiby, that theory is NOT fringe, it is just another legit theory, which can be traced from the early 20th century Britannica to contemporary academia. Once again, do not remove sourced material just because you "think it is better". Soundwaweserb (talk) 12:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No sourced material will be removed – Good! I'll now add a brief section on crime. Surely, if an article is going to have lengthy sections about the scientific, artistic or educational activities of a nation, it makes sense to at last attempt to cover other aspects of their social life. We've listed the most notable scientists, so let's now list the most notable war criminals as well, like Ratko Mladić and Radovan Karadžić. This information will of course be sourced, so no-one will be able to remove it! – Uanfala (talk) 14:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Read WP:POINT and please spare us from your rants and cynicism, it is of little value to anyone, yourself included. Once you get a wider consensus, and have the sections removed on Italians, Greeks, Albanians and so on, you can return and bring forth your ideas. Have a good day. Soundwaweserb (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And how about you read WP:NPOV? If we're going to showcase the notable scientific achievements of individual members of a group of people, neutrality would require us to also mention the equally notable deeds of other individual members in other fields, including ones that are not seen by the world in a positive light. – Uanfala (talk) 16:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Romanized"

Considering Serbian is a language that can written in both cyrilic and latin, wouldn't it make more sense for the lead be as such:

The Serbs (Serbian Cyrillic: Срби, Serbian latin: Srbi, pronounced [sr̩̂bi])

? ImStevan (talk) 08:19, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

March 2023

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Population of Republic of Serbia needs to be updated. According to the 2022 Census of Population it was 6,690,887 in 2022.^[1]

Note: datacommons.org claims that the population estimate is from ec.europa.eu. However, their estimate (6,690,887) doesn't match the europa's (6,770,000). M.Bitton (talk) 20:22, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: Let's clear up the sourcing situation first. Actualcpscm (talk) 23:55, 31 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bosnia

So a user keeps reverting Bosnia and Herzegovina to Bosnia...I've checked and every other page has BiH. Pinging User:Liliannnaa Vamsi20 (talk) 16:36, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note I'm not reverting the edit again because I don't want to be blocked for edit warring. Vamsi20 (talk) 16:39, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2022 census data

The data should be updated in according to the 2022 Census in Serbia. According to it, there are 5'360'239 Serbs in Serbia. ^[2]

[1] ttps://datacommons.org/place/country/SRB?utm_medium=explore&mprop=count&popt=Person&hl=en

[2] ttps://n1info.rs/vesti/popis-2022-rezultati-nacionalna-pripadnost/

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