Talk:Cassie Bernall

Since this article is now about Bernall AND Schnurr, should I move the article to "Cassie Bernall and Valeen Schnurr"? WhisperToMe 22:44, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. Martin 23:04, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

My take on the best organisation of these articles is to have the massacre article, an article on each of Cassie and Rachel, and have Valeen redirect to the massacre. The current situation of these two being lumped together but not Rachel looks odd.. However having all three lumped in one article but separate from the massacre article would look odder still. We could have them all redirect to the massacre article but I think there is enough material and points of emphasis (e.g. the massacre article is about the two killers and the mechanics of the day). The Cassie and Rachel article are more pointed towards the religious of their lives and deaths, which were more specific to them. Pete 11:29, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

This has now been implemented. Pete 12:12, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I thought Bernall and Schnurr could be dealt with together as the article is really about a single incident that involved them both. However, I see your point, and the new organisation also works. Martin 18:42, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

External link is 404

Just thought you guys might want to know that the second external link is 404. All the best. Redux 19:51, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Fixed. Pcb21| Pete 21:09, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I am still getting the old 404...

External link Salon News

Should it be added in the article that according to the Salon.com news report she was "In trouble with friends and in school, Cassie was forced by her parents -- whom she'd threatened in letters to kill -- to attend West Bowles Community Church, where, after protest, she underwent a spiritual awakening and was born again." I think it should because it talks about her history. What does everyone else think? GZAdmin 17:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

If you can add a source to the statements next to it, other than salon.com, to confirm it then yes go ahead. I don't have anything against salon.com myself, but I'm sure that if people were to read that and find salon as its source there may be some who would attempt to remove it because of the whole political war going on in the US right now. Of course, I'm sure that it's mentioned elsewhere, so it shouldn't be hard to find another source for it. -- SmthManly / ^ManlyTalk / ^{ManlyContribs} 18:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually that was discussed in length in her mother's book. So as you said it won't be hard at all to cite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.44.84.41 (talk • contribs)

Alright, find the page in the book where it is stated and we can use that as a citation. -- SmthManly / ^ManlyTalk / ^{ManlyContribs} 01:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Schnurr disrespect

Why does Valeen Schnurr redirect here? That is incredibly disrespectful, I think. It's fine if we make a page including both, but don't name it after just one.

--L'postrophi 23:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Inspiration

I added a link to Michael W. Smith and his "This Is Your Time" album, since the (it turns out, false) rumors inspired the title track, and had a profound impact on the evangelical Christian community. And I added that the rumors went so far as to say that Cassie had just seen another student shot for answering "Yes." I'll track down cites. ChristinaDunigan 17:04, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Merge all non-notable victims to a single page

She isn't notable; she should be on a single page with all the other non-notable victims, whose only claim to importance is being shot in the massacre. Titanium Dragon 05:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, Im tempted to nominate this article for deletion. I think the victims should be merged into one page, to give them all individual ones is ridiculous. TSMonk 03:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Bernall stands apart from the other non-notable victims, beacause of the controversy surrounding the "She Said 'Yes'" misunderstanding. Although i suppose if we did glom them all together, this existing article is small enough to fully include.

Do Not Delete This Article!

I would personally like to thank all those who have worked on this page, and would very much to see it NOT BE DELETED since it is one of the very few existing sources on the web that actually gets the story right about who said "yes", and does so from a NPOV standpoint. The massive PR campaign that went on in the aftermath of Columbine by those that have been "saved" persists on the web and without this accurate entry, many people may continue to believe in the martyrdom associated with Cassie Bernall's tragic demise.

68.161.120.145 09:19, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I second all of the above. This page represents a valuable resource in that it debunks and lays bare the worst sort of propaganda, i.e., the type that shamelessly exploits the life and death of a young person in order to create and sell a myth. Thank you to the editors who worked hard on this entry.

-- Labyrinth13 14:10, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Citation Needed

Someone else needs to add the reference from "She Said 'Yes'", i am unfamilar with the procedure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.25.24.245 (talk) 22:25, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

The article from Christianity Today is the unsourced bit that needs to be removed or a better (sourced) article to replace. Purgatory Fubar ^Converse or Snafu 22:45, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

no, im talking about the fact tag you put in. the article from Christianity Today has nothing to do with that.

Unsourced reports alleging that Cassie said "yes" persist.

Should Unsourced reports really be included in this article? It is not very encyclopedic is it? I think the whole thing should be removed. Unsourced reports alleging that Cassie said "yes" persist. Zobra, Wendy Murray. "Cassie Said Yes, They Said No", Christianity Today, 1999-11-01. Retrieved on 2006-06-18. Purgatory Fubar ^Converse or Snafu 22:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)