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Merge to 2023 Sudan clashes, 15 April 2023, from 2023 Sudanese Armed Forces-Rapid Support Forces confrontation to 2023 Sudanese coup d'état attempt, see discussion.
Not moved, 18 April 2023, from 2023 Sudan clashes to Third Sudanese Civil War, see discussion.
Moved, 19 April 2023, from 2023 Sudan clashes to 2023 Sudan conflict, see discussion.
Not moved, 21 April 2023, from 2023 Sudan conflict to 2023 Sudanese conflict, see discussion.
Not moved, 25 April 2023, from 2023 Sudan conflict to 2023 Sudan crisis, see discussion.
Not moved, 25 April 2023, from 2023 Sudan conflict to Third Sudanese Civil War, see discussion.
Not moved, 4 May 2023, from 2023 Sudan conflict to Third Sudanese Civil War, see discussion.
Procedural close, 5 May 2023, from 2023 Sudan conflict to 2023 Sudanese conflict, see discussion.

Genocide?

The are reports that the fighting in Darfur is becoming another genocide. Do any of you believe that it deserves an article of its own at this point? Borgenland (talk) 06:28, 23 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Give me some sources (as I couldn’t find any, only Khamis Abakar claimed that) and I will add other battles and to the RSF section about human right violations and the Darfur war. FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:03, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There has been an investigation by the ICC. No word of Genocide yet but they're focusing on Darfur. I might need help on renaming the section title though since it's a bit clumsy. Borgenland (talk) 17:57, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What should be included in the infobox

Please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#Purpose before adding information to the infobox that is not first included in the article and established as a key fact FuzzyMagma (talk) 06:59, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, people who add disputed stuff to the infobox, don't usually read 'talk', but I wholeheartedly endorse the sentiment! Pincrete (talk) 11:46, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How do you middle align the casualties section? I had to refix it since someone had the bright idea of erasing the SPLM. Borgenland (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict or war?

Why is this still considered a "conflict"? Seems like a "war" to me. 2600:6C5C:6C7F:5E53:7477:DE4E:9DF5:981A (talk) 00:47, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because sources are not (yet?) calling it a war in the main. Often the term is reserved for more extended conflicts, but we don't decide whether it has met our - or anyone else's - definition, sources do and when they do they will give it a name. Pincrete (talk) 05:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A handful of sources are already calling it a war, including the New York Times: [1], [2], [3], [4] 2600:6C5C:6C7F:5E53:7477:DE4E:9DF5:981A (talk) 13:16, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Some of those are only using the word 'war' in the headlines, thereafter 'fighting', 'conflict' etc. Headlines don't really count for our purposes. None has really settled on a name for this 'war', so we'd be inventing a name for it. Even with NYT, uses a variety of nouns to describe the conflict. Pincrete (talk) 16:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Casualties

The Casualties chapter is becoming outdated with respect to the location breakdown of Sudanese casualties with the exception of Darfur. I believe that it is time to rearrange and if necessary trim that part which I will start later. Borgenland (talk) 18:11, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Map

See this map I saw on a news site. Also posting this on Commons discussion: https://www.dabangasudan.org/en/all-news/article/more-people-killed-in-battles-in-el-obeid-and-sudan-capital Borgenland (talk) 14:46, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2023

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Change "On 13 July, Egypt hosted a summit in Cairo, wherein the SAF, the RSF and leaders of Sudan's neighboring states agreed to a agreed to a new initiative to resolve the conflict." to "On 13 July, Egypt hosted a summit in Cairo, wherein the SAF, the RSF and leaders of Sudan's neighboring states agreed to a new initiative to resolve the conflict." Bigpoobles (talk) 17:44, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]