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New RS available from US Congressional Research Service

For BrigadierG and others actively editing this article, the US Congressional Research Service recently published a new report, The Metaverse: Concepts and Issues for Congress, that may be useful as a RS. It contains an analysis of the current state of the terminology, technologies, major companies, and potential policy issues. It also has many footnotes linking out to other sources. Anyway, just passing it along in case it is helpful, as I unfortunately do not have time right now to help with updating this article myself. - Dyork (talk) 00:35, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

oooooooo let's put that in a 'Further reading' section SWinxy (talk) 17:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a wonderful source. It does so many things we've been looking for an RS for for a long time, such as succinctly nailing down the likely characteristics of Metaverses in bullet-point form much more strictly than Random Tech Journalist #335. I'll take a look and see what can be added. Thank you for this. BrigadierG (talk) 22:07, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The yardstick for inclusion of software and standards

I want to try and drive some kind of consensus regarding the minimum standard for mentioning a certain technology or standard in this article. Back when I rewrote this article a while back, it was littered with dead standardisation projects and technologies that had pootled out of existence without achieving anything. I can see the slow creep of indiscriminate lists of 3D file formats back into this article and want to nip it in the bud early. Here's a few ideas for the inclusion yardstick.

Firstly, on notability:

1. The technology/standard must pass WP:GNG

2. The technology/standard or its creator must pass WP:GNG

3. The technology/standard must have achieved significant adoption

And secondly on Metaverse connection:

1. A WP:RS linking the technology/standard to the metaverse

2. A WP:PRIMARY or WP:RS linking the technology/standard to the metaverse

3. A WP:RS linking the technology/standard to key components of the metaverse (eg. 3d, or interoperability)

Would appreciate comments on which of these is most appropriate. BrigadierG (talk) 22:37, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very much like this. I would say that the notability should be based on if the thing has an article, which is a proxy of GNG. 'Significant adoption' is nebulous and I wouldn't be opposed if it were up to editors to determine that. For the connection, absolutely an RS to explicitly link the software/standard to the metaverse with metaverse-like components. SWinxy (talk) 23:28, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since it seems like we're the only two editors active on this article for now, I guess the WP:ROUGHCONSENSUS is up to us. Personally, my vote is for 3 and 2 respectively. What are your thoughts? BrigadierG (talk) 00:41, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2022

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In the section "Snow Crash, 1992", the word gargoyle should point to "gargoyle (monster)" rather than "gargoyle" (an architectural element) 93.72.49.123 (talk) 07:01, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done 💜 melecie talk - 07:27, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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In the subsection "Feasibility" under top-level section "Criticism and concerns", add quotation marks to the following exerpt (change implemented below):

"for the past year, Mark Zuckerberg has struggled to find the best way to achieve the metaverse. Unfortunately, he failed." [70]

The current version of the page does not have them, and they should be added for both readability's sake and consistency with the prior two quotations. 94.174.167.37 (talk) 11:06, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lemonaka (talk) 12:07, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reference to ChatGPT doesn't make sense

In the second paragraph of Implementations, there's a reference to ChatGPT. This doesn't make any sense. Stray edit from something? 136.159.213.1 (talk) 18:57, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I suggest adding these issues to the criticism and concerns on social issues:

As people increasingly pursue social interactions in the virtual world, concerns have been raised about ethics, sexual predators, terrorism entrapment and indoctrination, privacy, and security. While big tech companies pursuing the Metaverse concept are aware of these issues, they could deter people from enjoying and exploiting the total immersive experiences that the concept provides. Another challenge that may confront the Metaverse concept is the cost for hardware such as headsets and other products that will allow people to enter the virtual world. This could lead to social segregation, as the poor and people of limited economic means may be locked out. The Metaverse will also not suffice the interaction quest for people with different physical challenges, especially the blind and the deaf. The visually impaired will be greatly disadvantaged unless advanced technologies are available to address their plight.

Source: https://www.mdpi.com/2624-6511/5/3/40 Resilientcity (talk) 06:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Partly done: Already mentioned in this article are the concerns around sexual harassment, privacy and security, cost, and social isolation. You raise a good point about accessibility to those with physical disabilities, and that is absolutely necessary to include. I've added a sentence about it in #Social issues. There might be more in the article, but I'm wary of how closely they wrap Facebook in to the metaverse. Are you one of the authors? Your username suggests that you are in some way involved. SWinxy (talk) 14:27, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Concerns about the section "Lack of adoption"

It is fundamentally difficult to speak of "lack of adoption", of something that does not yet exist extensively. Decentraland and Meta's platform are specifically mentioned here as negative examples, which do not even fulfill the criteria of the Metaverse, such as interoperability, economic exchange, AR and VR, etc. The Metaverse is still in its absolute initial stages of development, and for example, according to reports from City Group, McKinsey, PwC, will only be ready for the market in 5-15 years. It is a slow process in which many standards must first be created and everyone continues to work on it. Furthermore, it is nonsense to compare Metaverse with AI, since AI will be a core technology of Metaverse. Using opinion articles with clickbait character as a basis for statements here should be reconsidered. Dave-George (talk) 12:28, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi,

Please add sources to the sentence "Proposed applications for metaverse technology include improving work productivity,[31][45] [XX], ..."

^[1]

We wrote a paper about the use of metaverse in the workplace and we would like to get it to a wider audience.

Thanks in advance, Tereza Tersi Science (talk) 12:19, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done We don't add sources just to give the sources wider visibility (see WP:COI). If there's a valid reason for using that source we will consider adding it, but not simply to boost its visibility. --Masem (t) 12:56, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blockchain-Powered Crypto Metaverse

The "Blockchain-Powered Crypto Metaverse" seems to be placing undue focus on this one particular possible way to implementing a metaverse. It has citations, but seems to be weaving a narrative that is borderline POV-pushing re blockchain generally. Unsure why this is even here, as there doesn't appear to be any major public discussion on using blockchain to power the metaverse. I think it should be trimmed considerably. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 18:55, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's going into essay-like territory, it's probably better to remove tbh. SWinxy (talk) 19:15, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. Looking more closely, the first citation is just promotional "partner content" and not really a valid reliable source. THe rest was just hype trying to support crypto generally. Maybe there could be a one-sentence mention of how blockchain might be part of a future implementation of the metaverse, but this is very WP:CRUFT. I cut it all. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 02:00, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, cool. partner content. i love when places do that. SWinxy (talk) 02:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Does social security use metaverse

For application process 67.61.19.53 (talk) 07:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

^ Šímová, T.; Zychová, K.; Fejfarová, M. (2023). "Metaverse in the Virtual Workplace". Vision. 0 (0). doi:10.1177/09722629231168690.

[1] Šímová, T.; Zychová, K.; Fejfarová, M. (2023). "Metaverse in the Virtual Workplace". Vision. 0 (0). doi:10.1177/09722629231168690.

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