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Lisa Nakazono

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General notability is unclear, and the page has been plagued by POV fancruft since its inception. Unless a properly sourced biography can be put together (for example, she was married, and went by the name Nakazono Węgłowska for some period), I think the page would be better deleted. Imaginatorium (talk) 08:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not finding much from a BEFORE but I expect most good sources will be in Japanese if they exist. Lack of even trivial coverage from english-speaking outlets makes me think it is unlikely that GNG is met. BrigadierG (talk) 10:16, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
[Comment from IP] This page should not deleted by unreasonable complaints.
1. When we edited her name correctly, the photo of 2017, @Imaginatoriumsaid "It appears that tis was her name in 2017. This is not a promotion page." It's absolutely wrong. Her name was already Lisa Nakazono.
Here is an evidence.
https://www.pccij.or.jp/polish-festival-roppongi-hills-2017/
She was called Lisa Nakazono in 2017.
2. When we explained about the photo which was used this page before, @Imaginatorium said the photo was taken in Poland but it is wrong. The photo was taken in Tokyo, Japan
This was the Polish festival held in Roppongi Hills O-YANE PLAZA, Tokyo, Japan.
Here is an evidence.
https://www.pccij.or.jp/polish_festival_2016_en/
https://www.pccij.or.jp/polish-festival-roppongi-hills-2017/
Please do not say something based on your speculation. 2001:268:C2D1:B31:24EF:9A06:FA9B:509C (talk) 10:37, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
None of this is relevant here. Your response here should be to show why this article is notable in line with WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO by showing significant coverage in reliable secondary sources sources. BrigadierG (talk) 12:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see anything wrong on the page. I think the reliable sources are on the page. 2001:268:C2D1:B31:8431:8AD4:472C:7033 (talk) 14:28, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Lisa, you can't use your own page as a "reliable source". Most "sources" on your page just link to your personal promotion webpage. English Wikipedia needs substantial articles (can be in Japanese) to establish you are notable and not just a local artist that has no real notability. There are no news articles talking about your life story or anything. Even searching google news in Japanese and excluding links to Wikipedia, there are only 2 very non-notable list blogs that seem to mention anything about you; and only your name with no details. I'm honestly looking to try to find substantial sources (other than your personal site) to fill out the biography with reliable information, but so far I haven't found anything. Nesnad (talk) 10:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am NOT Lisa, I am her friend and also one of her fans. 2001:268:C2C0:414A:D4E2:D2F7:F198:A5ED (talk) 16:13, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I can only find hits in Japanese about pianos, nothing for this person. Oaktree b (talk) 15:58, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Wikipedia page describing Lisa Nakazono's musical career is genuine and does not contain any irrelevant information or advertisements. I am of the opinion that this page best summarizes who she is and her musical career. As a huge fan of Lisa, all I can say is that she is just taking a short break from her music (due in part to the Covid-19 pandemic), and she will be back in the future. Thus, I hope this page will remain as it is so that when she returns, every fan of hers will be able to remember her more easily. Lisa is a great musician. Daniel Limster (talk) 04:16, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I completely agree with you. 2001:268:C2C9:1865:49E2:21C2:F937:6657 (talk) 09:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Although there seems to be a troubling use of sockpuppet accounts or friends or something to falsely prop up the page, I can attest to Lisa Nakazono being a real musician. She has indeed released some music with Sony and has been in a few local festivals. If that's enough, the page should stay. I am not one to decide if that is notable enough or not for Wikipedia, although maybe I can try to find more sources to find out if she is or not. So far there doesn't seem to be a lot of notable sources to establish much about her. I do think that all the IP users and new accounts made to justify her page, and try to shape her Wiki page etc, are a bit troubling. If she is notable enough, she should let the page organically grow from tangible sources about her past and present instead of personally trying to get involved with shaping things to this extent. Wikipedia isn't for personal promotion. Nesnad (talk) 10:21, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know about her friends, but as an avid music lover, I frequently look up my favorite musicians like Sumini Hayato or Yukie Nishimura on the Internet to see if there's anything new about them. And Lisa has always been on the list. I am not comparing anybody and I believe doing so is considered to be what's similar to blasphemy in the musical arena as a musician's talent is rather a subjective issue and is to be judged by the listeners.
    For whatever reason, I am so fond of her music and listen to her music whenever time allows me to. You cannot and should not accuse someone else's comments of what's written in her defense. That's not what this website is all about.
    BTW, I don't think Chopin or Tchaikovsky is not producing any 'tangible' performances any longer, but how come their pages have not been deleted yet? Or should we delete those pages since they are falsely using Wikipedia for their 'promotions'? Daniel Limster (talk) 12:21, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]


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*Note (from proposer Imaginatorium)

These comments were in the wrong place, messing up formatting here for example, and actually have nothing to do with the discussion on this page, which is about reasons to delete or not delete, based on Wikipedia principles, not fan passion. Does anyone object if I move all of these to the Talk page (Talk:Lisa Nakazono) of the article? Imaginatorium (talk) 15:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]


I honestly don't see anything wrong with this profile picture being used on the page. The original copyright owner has done it correctly by relinquish the rights to the picture and got it approved on Wikicommons. Furthermore, it is the agreement from the artist herself. The name Lisa Nakazono is used during that Polish Festival in Japan and not Lisa Nakazono Wengloaska and there are many sources from that event to proof that fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HayashiMichiKimi (talk • contribs) 12:03, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. I don't see anything wrong there. 2001:268:C2D1:B31:8431:8AD4:472C:7033 (talk) 14:30, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The photo is fine, the article will likely be deleted unless we can find proper sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 15:59, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I looked at the Japanese Wikipedia article (ja:中園理沙) using Google Translate[1] and didn't see any references I thought established notability. She certainly seems like she should be notable but should isn't enough. She's been on many broadcasts.
I encourage others who know the Japanese music scene to look at her Japanese Wikipedia article in case I missed something.
--A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 17:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dear Ms. Nakazono and/or her friends visiting this discussion:
We have rules that govern article retention. In particular, refer to the detailed information in these guidelines: WP:BIO, WP:RS, and WP:COI.
WP:COI: Ms. Nakazono and those associated with her are not allowed to edit her biography. This is to protect Wikipedia's integrity against self-interested editing.
WP:BIO: The article has to demonstrate that Ms. Nakazono is notable as defined by WP:BIO above; you may disagree with those notability criteria but they're the rules of this website.
WP:RS: Any claims this article makes about Ms. Nakazono have to be backed up with citations to references that meet the WP:RS guideline.
Presently, this article does not meet our notability requirements based on the references in the article.
I'm sure Ms. Nakazono is a very good musician. If it's any consolation, most of the world's very good musicians aren't notable by our rules. They have not gotten the substantial, in-depth coverage required.
Ultimately, notability on Wikipedia is more about vagaries of media coverage by reliable sources than merit. We're an encyclopaedia diligently compiled by a group of amateur volunteers. We're compiling information from around the world for our articles; we're not forming or imposing our own opinions.
I'm sorry I have to tell you and your supporters this; I sense this will come as a disappointment. Please don't take it personally - this is just a really big website, and we're not Japanese music industry experts.
—A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 01:44, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @A. B. I am truly sorry, I made a typo. 2001:268:C2C0:414A:F024:CB30:202F:9C61 (talk) 02:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. I wish I had a friend like you! I don’t know if those performances count towards notability. Perhaps they would if our rules were different. Her record is impressive. Our rules lean on what others say about her in reliable sources as defined in WP:RS.
—A. B. (talk • contribs • global count)< A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 03:02, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much dear @A. B..
I sincerely appreciate your kindness, understanding, and support.
Please let me know what I can do more.
Thank you so much again. 2001:268:C2C0:414A:F024:CB30:202F:9C61 (talk) 03:07, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @A. B.,
Thank you so much for your sincere message.
I understand and truly appreciate you told me that.
Please let me explain to you.
Yes, I am her friend and one of her fans. This is true. Actually, Ms. Nakazono didn't edit anything on the article and this page. She has little two kids and she is too busy to check all here and do something here.
I, her friends and fans who love her have been trying to edit the pages and protect her from some problems.
As for me, What I am doing this of oy own will. She didn't ask me to do this.
Pleaae let me show the proof of her notability here.
In June 2013, she was invited to perform a concert in the Republic of Poland.
http://chopinfestiwal.wilkomirski.org.pl/?grp=205&dzial=195
︎In 2015, she was appointed cultural director of the Czech Chamber of Commerce in Japan, and she is committed to international cultural exchange.
https://dukesoftware.appspot.com/pianist/Lisa_Nakazono/
︎In April 2016, she gave a concert with a singer at the Embassy of the Czech Republic in Tokyo.
https://www.cccij.com/inpage/news-2016-03-28/
︎In August 2017, she gave a piano recital in Prague, Czech Republic.
https://kazelfacorp.com/culture/lisanakazono2017/
︎In May 2018, she gave a piano recital in Beijing, China and served as a master class teacher.
https://www.sohu.com/a/231352444_410931
︎In August 2019, she served as a judge for the Excellence Cup International Music Competition in Taiwan.
https://www.music-taiwan.com/zh-tw/piano/introduction/reviewers/past
Please let me know if there is something I need to do. 2001:268:C2C0:414A:F024:CB30:202F:9C61 (talk) 02:57, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It turns out we have additional rules for musicians that provide alternate ways to establish notability. I’m sorry I overlooked this earlier. See WP:MUSICBIO - perhaps one of these fits? In particular, has she made two or more albums with Sony Music?
Note: I’m signing off in a few minutes and will return tomorrow.
—A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 03:12, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @A. B.
Thank you so much.
Yes, she made Two albums with Sony Music.
Her discography on Sony Music.
https://www.sonymusic.co.jp/artist/lisanakazono/discography/
Thank you so much. 2001:268:C2C0:414A:F024:CB30:202F:9C61 (talk) 03:37, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Lisa et al, I can't find any Google news hits for you when searching your name in Japanese. Nothing. Two references on blogs in 2010, but they simply mention your name that is all. I'm really honestly trying. I think you are a great musician, but skill is not notability on English Wikipedia. I lean toward inclusion when we can, but none of those links establish Wikipedia notability maybe, and for sure wouldn't work as sources for biographical data. (Further the kazelfacorp link posts some of the same photos that you claimed were family photos on Wikimedia commons. So is it run by your family or was that a false claim on Wikimedia commons?) Do you have any (non-blog) newspaper/magazine interviews that go into details about your life and history to work as a source? That'd be quite helpful, Nesnad (talk) 03:22, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - notable per WP:MUSICBIO - 2 albums with a major record label per above.
--A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 03:39, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Stop droning on and on about the label. If a CD is put out under the "Aniplex" label owned by Sony Music Entertainment then it should be considered major enough, period.
Also NMUSIC Criterion #1 is actually probably satisifed also, since she has been covered in multiple trade mags and newspaper[s] as listed on her website,[6]
I don't reside in Japan (so no easy access to back issue material), but I've vetted the existence of a piece in Chopin monthly[7] and pieces in Piano monthly. [8] Also the interview with the Piano mag had led to her obtaining her debut CD gig, according to a piece in H!P magazine issued by the Kanagawa Shimbun Company[9]
Nesnad's Google news search is a far, far cry from a catch-all of Japanese media coverage. The result set from that tool being nil does not prove nonexistence. According to the artist several pieces about her, her CD, or her recital appeared in Kanagawa Shimbun newspaper.--Kiyoweap (talk) 08:09, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for your support dear @Kiyoweap.
I can't thank you enough. 2001:268:C2C0:414A:D8AF:C175:C038:9BDB (talk) 08:30, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, like I said... If Anipex counts for notability, then I have no problem. I just think saying she is on Sony Music is factually wrong. If a name mention in a trade industry journal is enough to establish notability, I'm all ok. I am an inclusionist. I like to keep material. I just wasn't sure if some random minor label with no google hits was enough for notability. I am fine if it is, it just feels a bit like a stretch so I was just worried, that's all. Nesnad (talk) 09:16, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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