Talk:Zamorin

Zamorin's Calicut
കോഴിക്കോട് സാമൂതിരി
Zamorin's Calicut കോഴിക്കോട് സാമൂതിരി
c. 1102–1799
	Extent of the Kingdom of Calicut, at the end of 15th century.
Status	Kingdom
Capital	Calicut
Common languages	Malayalam, Tamil, Arabic, Sanskrit
Religion	Hinduism, Islam
Government	Feudal Monarchy
Zamorin of Calicut
Historical era	Late Medieval
• Fall of Later Cheras	c. 1102
• Treaty with East India Company	1799
Currency	Calicut Fanam
Preceded by	Succeeded by
	Later Cheras
Company rule in India

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Herditary Ministers of Samoothiripaddu

Mangattu Achhan,Thinancherry Elaayath, Varakkal Para Nambi, Dharmothu Panicker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devaprathap (talk • contribs) 15:51, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Zamorin or Samoothiripaddu?

After referring to a few books,, Maanichan and Vikkiran were originally called manikram and Vikkraam were youths who were descendents of Chalukyas who accidently came over to Malabar. Seeing the situation there, They made freinds with everyone quickly and gained acceptance and the rest of the history is more or less known I guess. So I assume Samoothisis are kshatriyas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.41.226 (talk) 12:34, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think this page should be titled as Samoothiripaddu instead of Zamorin, as it is the local name. Thoughts anyone? -- thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK}10:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I fully support the move. It need to be renamed as Samoothirippadu or Samoothiri. Chanakyathegreat 16:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that would be good. I started it, thinking mainly of the English audience, but I did not know the trick of re-direction. I would suggest "Samoothiri" and NOT "Samoothiripadu" so as to make it short. Will someone please go ahead. - Amarnath Raja 24 Feb 2007

According to the discussion, the article Zamorin will be redirected to Saamoothiri. It's not Sa moo, its Saa moo thi ri. Expected changes will also made in the article. Thank you. Chanakyathegreat 08:59, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Was Saamoothiri a Nair King as mentioned in the article? The title Varma Suggests that they should be Kshathriyas.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.55.3 (talk) 16:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Raja is the title of old zamorins , like 'charia anujan raja' during coronation, title of manavedhan or manavikraman is given. Presently this titles are not observed to follow & some are even varmas!. Zamorins are nairs & Kshatria, they belong to the spectrum of nairs that belong to kshatria sect. 122.172.114.211 (talk) 04:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:30, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Samoothiri → Zamorin — per WP:UCN (use common names). Zamorin is vastly more common than the current title. -- — AjaxSmack 00:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Zamorin is used by Britannica and Google Books give a sample of other usage with about 44,100 results for Zamorin versus about 31 results for Samoothiri, an over 1400:1 ratio.

This article has been victim of a cut and paste move and several undiscussed name changes. — AjaxSmack 00:31, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Survey and discussion

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In recent days i read an article on a daily that a maharaja has sold 11 elephants nettipattam to construct a railway line . Who was it? i really forgot it .can anybody help me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.206.16.113 (talk) 11:05, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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The article was moved from "Zamorin" to "Zamorin of Calicut" with an edit summary of "Readers can understand better from this title, Zamorins were in fact famous as the Kings of Calicut". Does this take us away from using the most common name, for no other purpose than emphasising something that an editor feels needs emphasis? --McGeddon (talk) 10:18, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Infobox

What?

Is this article about the dynasty, the title or the kings or the state? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.161.185.55 (talk) 05:58, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It will be better if divide the article as

Kingdom of Calicut
Zamorins of Calicut (dynasty)
Zamorin of Calicut (title) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.161.185.55 (talk) 06:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that is a good idea. But, you have to discuss it with all main contributors

(Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας (talk) 07:48, 17 May 2012 (UTC)).[reply]

Image links

Why these images are not included in the article?

File:A rendering of the scene by the Portuguese painter Velos Salgado.jpg File:Portuguese fort at Calicut.jpg File:Vasco da Gama dá a sua embaixada ao Samorim em Calicute.jpg File:Zamorin&gama.jpg File:Calicut coast.jpg File:The Savages of Calicut.gif File:Thali Temple, Malabar District.jpg File:Marakkar-Navy.JPG File:Duarte Pacheco's victory at Battle of Cochin (1504).jpg

(Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας (talk) 07:48, 17 May 2012 (UTC)).[reply]

Image

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ettanettan_Tampuran,_the_Zamorin_of_Calicut.jpg

The image shown on the above link is mentioned as Swathi Tirunal of Travancore

Sinking of pilgrim ship

In the entry around August 1502, the text says "However, the burning and sinking of the ship is not related by any contemporary and reliable sources. Some assume that the description may be "legendary or at least exaggerated" and gives a reference to Britannica. I have been unable to check Britannica (doesn't show up on my browser). But this is certainly a false statement. As seen in the record of the 4th armada of 1502, the burning & sinking of the ship is related in all contemporary Portuguese chronicles (Barros, Gois, Castanheda, Osorio, Correia); it is also reported in at least four separate eyewitness accounts. By historical standards, the evidence is overwhelming. This needs to be corrected. Walrasiad (talk) 04:06, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Long lead?

Anything related to lead can be discussed here 68.33.4.126 (talk) 21:43, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It was after the dissolution of the kingdom of Cheras of Kodungallur in the early 12th century that the Samanthan Nair Eradis of Nediyiruppu (originally autonomous chiefs of Eranadu) demonstrated their political independence under the title of Zamorin. The Zamorins maintained elaborate trade relations with the Muslim Middle-Eastern sailors in the Indian Ocean, the primary spice traders on the Malabar Coast during the Middle Ages. Calicut was then an important entrepôt in South-Western India where Chinese and West Asian trade collaborated.

This can be removed form the lead.

This is already added extensively here [1] and it is not zen percentage proven , but generally agreed:

Historical records regarding the origin of the Zamorin of Calicut are obscure. However, it is generally agreed among historians the Eradis were originally the autonomous rulers of Eralnadu/Eranadu region of the Kodungallur Chera kingdom 68.33.4.126 (talk) 21:49, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]