Talk:Edge city

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Cleveland

I removed the Cleveland examples, because none of the places listed (Amherst, Bainbridge Township, Mantua, Medina, Painesville and Stow) are edge cities. Mantua is a rural village. Painesville and Medina are old county seats blended into Cleveland's sprawl without a particularly high density of offices. Bainbridge is a low-density exurb. I'm not as familiar with Amherst and Stow, but I really doubt they have enough office space to be considered edge cities. The only places in the Cleveland area I know of that could be considered edge cities are the Cloverleaf area of Independence and the Chagrin Blvd. corridor in Shaker Heights and Beachwood. -- Mwalcoff 02:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

List of edge cities

I removed several "edge cities" from the list because they do not fit the criteria. Many of the cities listed were historical population centers that had expierienced rapid recent growth. This list is still unwieldy and I suspect contains more inappropriate entries then correct. A rigorous approach is needed or the list should be removed to prevent every suburban commercial center in the country from being added. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Miglewis (talk • contribs) 20:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

That many in New York?

Back when Edge City was penned in 1991, there was a list in the back of the book naming the edge cities surrounding various urban centers in the United States and Canada. Under New York there were about 20-25, including emerging edge cities. According to the list on the Wikipedia page, in the fifteen-sixteen years since the book was published the New York area has curiously spawned about 45-50 more. Might someone verify that? Svalbard in winter 04:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

New York/Pittsburgh Examples

Some of the New York examples don't fit in to the term edge cities. Alot of the examples listed were more likely bedroom communities. In addition the Oakland neighborhood in Pittsburgh is an urban neighborhood so it does not fit into the term edge city.

Accuracy

The list of edge cities is kind of sprawling out of control, as I think the above comments seem to suggest. This might seem draconian at first, but I think the best solution is to try to get a published reference calling each item on the list an "edge city", probably from someone who is an unbiased observer with some credentials. If we can't find such a reference for an item, we remove it and the burden is on people who want to add it to find proof. I think this is a reasonable way to keep this article accurate and useful. Thoughts? --W.marsh 20:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Origin of term.

The term Edge-City was not coined in the 80s. It appeared in the "Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" and was often made reference to by the merry pranksters (apparently). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.151.38.116 (talk) 06:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

   The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test is a 1968 Tom Wolfe work. Wolfe introduced the term at pg. 33 as "Edge City" (no hyphen) in connection with Gary Goldhill (a Haight-Ashbury journalist of English birth first mentioned at page 28), saying that "Goldhill was open" and of "the rare kind who might even be willing to move with their fantasy, his [i.e., Kesey's] and the Pranksters", a kind needed "[b]ecause always comes the moment when it's time to take the Prankster circus on toward Edge City." Wolfe uses the term 12 times thruout the book, and for me his clearest declaration of it as (one assumes) "edginess" is at p. 365 about the Hell's Angels being "outlaws by choice from the word go, all the way out in Edge City. Furthur!"
   Altho he has some direct quotes from Kesey (in one of the "Edge City" passages i skimmed -- perhaps only bcz he could quote from what straight press recorded of a speech, so that he could verify it verbatim), he leaves me with the impression of paraphrasing from memory, but using a term he had heard Kesey use many times in at least similar contexts. Presumably, if Kesey used the term himself, his use dates from earlier than Wolfe's publication date. A source cited by our bio but not the book article may be helpful.
--Jerzy•t 06:15, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Principal cities

The U.S. Office of Management and Budget defines certain places as "principal cities", which area basically cities that serve as employment centers (see Section 5 of this document for the full definition). A list can be found here. I don't know if this is related to the concept of edge cities but it could be one way of trimming down the out of control list of cities. --Polaron | Talk 17:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, as the article you cite clearly shows, principal cities are defined almost entirely by residential population. Edge cities, on the other hand, are defined by several criteria, none of which is residential population. Some principal cities are also edge cities, but they're far more likely to be traditional urban or suburban areas. VERY few principal cities outside of major downtown areas are going to be "characterized by more jobs than bedrooms", which is one of the criteria for an edge city. Think of principal cities as where people are more likely to live, and edge cities as where they're more likely to work and shop. In fact, many of the cities incorrectly listed as "edge cities" on the list (Tempe, Scottsdale, Carmel, Overland Park, and many others) are really just regular suburban principal cities, since they are highly residential. 71.115.14.122 05:29, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

One important requirement to be a principal city is that the number of jobs exceeds the number of employed residents. So, I think you may have read the definition of a principal city wrong. Can you point out a principal city that has fewer jobs than employed residents? --Polaron | Talk 14:14, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

For reference, these are the criteria to become a principal city:

• Largest incorporated place in a CBSA with population 10,000+
• Other incoporated places with population 250,000+ with at least 100,000 employed residents
• Other incorporated places with population 50,000 to 250,000 where number of jobs exceeds number of employed residents
• Other incorporated places with population 10,000 to 50,000 AND which is at least 1/3 the population size of the largest incorporated place in the CBSA where number of jobs exceeds number of employed residents

So as you can see, a city is either the biggest city in the entire metro area or a smaller sized city where there are more jobs than employed residents. --Polaron | Talk 14:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Etymology - Deleted text

I think the current version is better but someone else might want to add the etymology that was deleted in a recent revision:

Tom Wolfe's 1968 novel The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test where it meant the status of living dangerously ("Outlaws, by definition, were people who had moved off of dead center and were out in some kind of Edge City.")

Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 13:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 18:14, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

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It looks like boomburb is just a neologism for an edge city. That article calls edge city "an older and more widely accepted term." It seems to revolve around the studies of one researcher, who happens to be the one who coined boomburb. I propose merging its information and references here (which will help with this article's tagged referencing issues) and listing any cities listed there on List of edge cities, if they're not there already. --BDD (talk) 17:44, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

There's an important distinction between the two, IMO. I think of edge cities as places where people work and shop, but rarely live. The boomburb article defines them as suburbs with large, fast-growing populations. A merger may not be the best idea. - Eureka Lott 18:34, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

But a suburb, by its nature, is going to be adjacent to an urban area. A suburb that "reaches populations more typical of urban core cities" seems to be an edge city, at least literally. I'm not sure about how many of Lang's boomburbs fit Garreau's criteria. They're at least very similar concepts. But maybe it's not as much a slam-dunk case as I thought. --BDD (talk) 20:58, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Oppose. Although Boomburb and Edge City are similar in concepts, Boomburb's definition is rather different from that for Edge City. Boomburb MUST be a suburb, while some Edge Cities are inside the city limit: e.g. Uptown Houston, Charlotte's SouthPark. Boomburb MUST be with 100,000+ resident population and double-digit resident population growth for three consective decades, while edge City does not have particular definition for the number of residents and its growth. Therefore, those two must be separate articles. Yassie (talk) 04:58, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ideas

To develop this article, perhaps we should add a subheading with a list of well known Edge Cities. Also, we should add a subheading where we explain how Edge Cities develop and why. Another thing we can add are the benefits and drawbacks that Edge Cities can experience.

Here's a basic bibliography that I compiled, feel free to make any suggestions or give any advice on what I can improve on -Edge City: Life on the New Frontier by Joel Garreau -Education in Edge City : cases for reflection and action by Reg Hinely, Alexandra G. Leavell, Karen Ford -Post-suburbia : government and politics in the edge cities by Jon C. Teaford -The Growth Machine Stops? Urban Politics and the Making and Remaking of an Edge City by Nichols A. Phelps -The pace of life and temporal resources in a neighborhood of an edge city by Daniel Paiva, Herculano Cachinho, Teresa Barata-Salgueiro -https://www.worldatlas.com/what-is-an-edge-city.html -http://atributosurbanos.es/en/terms/edge-city/ -https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1991/09/20/life-in-edge-city/a0dd4c88-ee49-4a17-bc7e-6cf19fa4db8d/?utm_term=.0f5029d87aea -https://www.thoughtco.com/edge-city-1435778 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nguyenandrew (talk • contribs) 21:48, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Is not la défense a Central business District rather.

Seems a poor example even thought it's a recent construction, is close an highway, but well it seems to be the main business District of the city. It's barely far from the centre, and it was not built right from bare fields. 2A01:E34:EC12:36C0:8C7C:1D24:470C:E316 (talk) 08:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)