User talk:R Prazeres

Regency of Algiers

Hi R Prazeres, there was significant rise of vandalism in this article lately, some IPs were literally putting insults in arabic inside the article or removing content and sources, i think it's better if a semi-protection is added for a considerable time. Nourerrahmane (talk) 23:02, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah I noticed. However the vandalism/disruption usually needs to be fairly constant and intense before an admin will agree to semi-protect it (e.g. if there are a lot of edits in a day or two and they're all consistently reverted as disruptions, that's clearer evidence). There are still enough productive edits in the last couple of days it seems, so I think we're not at that point yet. Feel free to ask again if it does get worse and you want some help to request semi-protection. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 23:07, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

@R Prazeres Hi, why was the coat of arms removed ? It’s pretty well sourced and I don’t remember the website having any copyright restrictions on it. Nourerrahmane (talk) 07:05, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm not aware. You mean the image was deleted from Wiki Commons? R Prazeres (talk) 07:21, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah nevermind, I see the deletion nomination page now. It seems that file was deleted because it was uploaded by a disruptive user (I'm vaguely familiar with the user, so I'm not surprised). If the coat of arms image is properly sourced and it's in the public domain (which would be the case if the image is found in historic sources), I don't think there's any issue in uploading it again. R Prazeres (talk) 07:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@R Prazeres Hi , first one is based on two secondary sources, what's wrong with them ? Nourerrahmane (talk) 20:32, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I decided to reply on Talk:Regency of Algiers to make it easier for other editors to see the explanation, if needed. R Prazeres (talk) 21:06, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello @R Prazeres hope you’re doing good, I nominated the article for GA review after a B assessment and some improvements based on some advices by the military history reviewer, do GA reviews take much time ? Nourerrahmane (talk) 22:07, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Nourerrahmane, yes I saw that you got a reviewer to make suggestions, which was a great idea, and that you nominated it for GA. I've only been involved in a GA process once (Talk:Fez, Morocco#GA Review), so I'm not familiar with what's typical. I wouldn't worry if it takes time for someone to accept the task, as I assume it depends on who's available and interested. The review itself, however, can take time, yes, especially for a long article like this. Based on a couple of other examples I've seen, I think you should expect that the review could take weeks, but I'm sure it varies. The reviewer might go section-by-section, pausing along the way to give you (and any other editors) some time to review and implement their recommendations; or they might give you a full set of recommendations all at once, let you work on it, then do a second read-through; etc. R Prazeres (talk) 22:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Idrisid Religion

Hello, I recently edited the article about the Idrisids and their founder being Shi'ite/Alawite, however this was reverted. But sources such as:

Marshal GS Hodgson, Venture of Islam, Univeristy of chicago press p 262), suggest that Idris and his family actively participated in Alid revolts against the Abbasids and were likely Zaydi or Alawite

Salman Cooper Mapping (talk) 21:18, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Salman Cooper Mapping, as I briefly explained in my revert ([1]), this is a more tricky issue than it may seem and there is disagreement among sources about the religious identity of Idris and the Idrisids, or indeed about whether present-day religious classifications are appropriate for this era. This is covered at Idrisid dynasty#Religion. The Idris I of Morocco article does not discuss his religious identity at all, so in any case it's not appropriate to include in the infobox, which should be a summary of what's covered in the article text (per MOS:INFOBOX). If religion is to be included in that article (and/or other articles about the Idrisids), it would need to be discussed in similar detail and without imposing a particular conclusion unless there's a consensus among reliable sources (which currently there doesn't seem to be). In the meantime, the infobox can simply include Islam as the religion (like at Idris II of Morocco), since that's uncontroversial and self-evident. R Prazeres (talk) 21:34, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Just read a few more sources about Idris I's religin and I agree with the section about the Idrisid religion, so I guess I'll just add his religion as Islam. Salman Cooper Mapping (talk) 21:49, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good! Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 21:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Mekla

Hello! so a couple of minutes ago i edited the Mekla Page and added an economy tab with a source, could you tell me if its good or unnessecary? Thanks. TBATlol (talk) 11:52, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @TBATlol, of course it's acceptable to add something if it's based on a good source and the source is clearly cited. The only problem with the previous material I removed was that it was unsourced. (It also looked like personal commentary, which unfortunately is not allowed on Wikipedia; see Wikipedia:No original research.) Happy editing, R Prazeres (talk) 16:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

ah, excuse me for that i didnt pay attention to it, but yeah, and im looking to add a sport category, is it acceptable? TBATlol (talk) 17:15, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, like I said, as long as there are good sources, it's almost always acceptable. At a general level, content simply needs to follow the core content policies. If you want a general idea of what well-developed article about a city looks like, you can also look the examples here, which are all classified as "Good articles" (meaning they've been reviewed carefully by many editors). E.g. London, Paris, etc. You'll find that a lot of similar sections are included in those articles. R Prazeres (talk) 17:44, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Alright Thanks. TBATlol (talk) 18:16, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

List of Muslim states and dynasties

What basic general info did I removed from this article? 223.123.113.168 (talk) 09:48, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

It wasn’t me who removed Saladin’s full name!

It was not me who removed Saladin's full name. Anyways you told me to discuss in the talk page, could you please explain what you mean. I have lots of reliable sources Quirk1 (talk) 01:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

This edit was unrelated to you, it was just something I noticed afterwards. Please discuss the article at its talk page, Talk:Saladin, like I said before. But in short: the Kurdish ancestry of Saladin is amply supported in the article per reliable (secondary) sources, which is all that matters on Wikipedia. So do not change this information the article unless you've obtained a consensus on the talk page to do so. R Prazeres (talk) 01:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Consensus with who, the Admins? And what if no one replies to me. The Arab ancestry of Saladin is amply supported Quirk1 (talk) 01:54, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

With other editors, see WP:CONSENSUS. If no one replies, that means there's no consensus. R Prazeres (talk) 01:57, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I see that consensus could be obtained by continued editing, is that true? Quirk1 (talk) 02:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

No, not when you've already been reverted, see WP:BRD. And since you're obviously favoring a specific POV without appropriate support, your edits would be considered disruptive. Now stop trying to convince me, this topic belongs on Talk:Saladin. R Prazeres (talk) 02:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean by appropriate support? I edited "Ayyubids" and you talk to me about Saladin and not his family which have all denied being kurdish including Saladin's close relatives Quirk1 (talk) 02:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

It says "Making bold edits is encouraged, as it will result in either improving an article or stimulating discussion. If your edit gets reverted, do not revert again. Instead, begin a discussion with the person who reverted your change." So come have a discussion with me on Talk:Saladin please since you've reverted my edit, we could work it out Quirk1 (talk) 02:46, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh nvm, it says begin a discussion with the person who reverted your edit. Could we have a discussion here? It would be a proper one Quirk1 (talk) 02:48, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I guess I should provide more than 1 reliable source next time, I thought one source would be enough. I'm still waiting for an answer to my previous question about the discussion btw Quirk1 (talk) 03:09, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhaja?wprov=sfti1#Origins This page uses genetic DNA tests to identify the origin of both the Kutama and Sanhadja tribes, why can ppl not do the same with Ayyubids? Their genetic tests prove that they are from the Arab tribe Ghatafan. Also, was a consensus obtained for Saladin's or Ayyubids' Kurdish origin? You said new wiki editors should ask more questions, so here I am Quirk1 (talk) 03:44, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I told you multiple times to go to Talk:Saladin and open a discussion there. I will not repeat myself again here. R Prazeres (talk) 03:54, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I asked you if you will take part in it because Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle says that you should discuss it with the person who reverted your edit. ? Quirk1 (talk) 04:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

this is just a r explanation in case I've miss-explained myself. My question is will you take part in the discussion or not? Quirk1 (talk) 06:03, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I will participate as needed, but that's not what matters; what matters is that discussions about an article should take place at the article's talk page, where all concerned editors can participate, not just me. R Prazeres (talk) 06:55, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia should notify me about your responses. Anyways I think there has already been a discussion in the talk page, can you see it? Someone quotes the book of the Ayyubids from an Ayyubid author. This book is the collection of letters of Sultan Al-Nasir Daoud bin Al-Malik(King) Al-Muazam Isa bin Al-Malik(King) Al-Adil bin Ayoub, who died in the year 656 AH. [in Arabic: وهذا الكتاب هو ديوان رسائل السلطان الملك الناصر داود بن الملك المعظم عيسى بن الملك العادل بن أيوب المتوفي سنة 656 هجري] I have faith in you that you can help Quirk1 (talk) 03:13, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

? Quirk1 (talk) 06:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

The Ayyubid kings have shown their Arabness in their poems, want to see? How could you say they are kurdish by origin if they literally denied it many times, read my friend, please. Read how they denied being kurdish many times as they also said "‏ونقلا من صدق كردي مطلع ذكر في منشور له :

‏حكى الملك الأمجد الحسن بن داود الأيوبي تـ670هـ في (نسب الأيوبيين) المستهل من كتابه [الفوائد الجلية في الفرائد الناصرية] ( 44 ) - متعقبا نسبة ابن الأثير تـ630هـ في [الكامل] لهم إلى أشراف الأكراد - ، حيث قال :

‏[ وهذا شيء يجري على ألسنة كثير من الناس ، ولم أرى أحدا ممن أدركته من مشايخ بيتنا يعترف بهذا النسب ، لكنهم لا ينكرون أن نجم الدين كان بُدِّوين .

‏وسألت المولى الملك الأمجد تقي الدين أبا الفضل عباس بن السلطان الملك العادل هل سمع من والده أو أحد من إخوانه الأكابر اعترافا بهذا النسب ؟ ، فقال : ما سمعت أحدا منهم ينتمي إلى الأكراد ] ." Quirk1 (talk) 01:57, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Alcázar of Seville, re:

You want sources on everything my friend, I will provide sources for that section I added and I will add as I translate the whole Spanish-version-article, today I will go back to the version I left and add reliable sources like books to the new sections.

The article in the spanish version have sources of books written in spanish, some can be seen online, but I am going to add is sources of books written by english speaking authors, much more suitable for this wikipedia, if I can, if not I will add spanish ones.--LaGuairabeach (talk) 11:09, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that sounds good. I saw your newest edits to the article; thank you for the good work. Happy editing, R Prazeres (talk) 06:48, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

User page question

Do you know how i could add "this user lives in" on my info page? Quirk1 (talk) 21:45, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Use Template:User lives in. Basically, just copy-paste this: {{User lives in|place}}

And replace "place" with your country/location. R Prazeres (talk) 21:57, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Quirk1 (talk) 22:04, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I guess i don't have permission to do that Quirk1 (talk) 22:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Heads up on new user

Hi R. Prazeres, I want to alert you that this user LaGuairabeach appears to be a sock of the indefinitely blocked editor Vvven, a prolific editor from Venezuela who had a long history of adding unsourced content written in terrible English, sometimes unintelligible, to many articles on English WP concerning Spanish history, including especially articles on Spanish architecture such as cathedrals and the Alcázar of Seville. LaGuairabeach seems to have the same interests as Vvven, who was blocked under this username for repeatedly adding copyvio content. Vvven also edited under the username ILoveCaracas now indefinitely blocked as well, who had a very similar editing history. Both of these accounts have edited the Alcázar of Seville article: as ILoveCaracas, and as Vvven. Sometimes the content he added was mysteriously written in better English—I would assume that was content he copied from elsewhere and modified. I seriously doubt that he was familiar with such terms as "polylobulated". Sometimes using IPs to edit, he caused me no end of trouble. His English does seem to have improved, but he still does damage. Carlstak (talk) 18:47, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. Have you filed a report at WP:SPI? R Prazeres (talk) 18:49, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Not yet. I was going to notify admin EdJohnston, who has check user rights, but I wanted to have all the facts and appropriate links marshalled first. I suppose what's here would be enough, but I have chores to attend to. If you would like to do either of these that would be great. It's possible that the Venezuelan user has moved to Miami, as have many Venezuelans—this morning I found edits by an IP geolocated in Miami who just too coincidentally is interested in Afro-Venezuelans and Amelia Island. If he has moved, then comparing IP addresses with the blocked editors won't work, unfortunately. Carlstak (talk) 19:13, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't have time to do it myself unfortunately (and you're more familiar with the case), but there's no rush. I'll keep on eye on what happens. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 21:55, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Moroccan Barnstar of National Merit
		In recognition of your outstanding contributions to Wikipedia's coverage of Morocco, your dedication to enhancing articles related to the country has significantly enriched the knowledge available to our readers—thank you for your efforts! ––FormalDude (talk) 02:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
		This WikiAward was given to R Prazeres by ––FormalDude (talk) on 02:29, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! And thank you likewise for your efforts at Fez, Morocco and elsewhere! R Prazeres (talk) 03:31, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

help with Libyan Civilizatio

hello mister R may ask for help on the libyan civilization i tried to make that page lately but it didn't go well. the main problem seem to be the amount of source and the limited info according to mr the only source i have is oric bates the eastern libyans 1914 Jake106meme (talk) 04:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Agreement

Hello pal, sorry about the disagreements that we recently we had, but let’s leave that, because I propose an agreement with you, about the article Emirate of Granada, I will tell you what I intend to edit and why I previously wanted to put it, but now I have better arguments that I will tell you now: Just let me make this edits on the page Emirate of Grenada: The founding year as c. 1238, put it also in timeline of rulers. (In the right section that is the template with the format I wanted to put)

R Prazeres
Official languages	Andalusi Arabic
Minority languages	Mozarabic
Religion	Official religion Sunni Islam Minority religions Roman Catholicism • Sephardic Judaism

I want to edit those things first in the part of c. 1238 you told me this, despite previous reverts you made me in the article of the Emirate about the date and including the language section that I’m mentioning, so the reason was because I based those edits on what it said in the article as you read it, like this: It’s said that Muhammad I became the ruler of Granada by 1238, I wanted to put that, and that in terms of language it was stated that the population was largely Arabic-speaking, unlike the previous Muslim strongholds in the Iberian Peninsula, and the Mozarabic population, which were Catholics, were just a minority, and the Berber-speaking population were already largely assimilated within the Arabic-speaking population, and I wanted to change the format the religion as well, so I wanted to put that. Since I told you this, please think about it, take your time and think wisely, and let me put those things, trust me, I already gave better arguments this time, I'm going to leave the rest, and please modify the template, take care of that yourself, based on the coherent dates, and we'll talk about editions in the template, have a nice night. In conclusion, I’m just letting you know what I intend to edit and why, and I advised you that you can trust me, that there aren’t any problems about it. 157.100.113.220 (talk) 02:27, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

See my reply at Talk:Emirate of Granada. Please make any further arguments there or at Talk:Muhammad I of Granada (for any proposed changes to that article), not here on my talk page, where no other editors are going to see the discussion. You should have done this in the first place when you were first reverted and repeatedly instructed to do so ([2], [3]). R Prazeres (talk) 03:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Marinid map

Hello R Prazeres, I hope you're doing well. I haven't received any response from you about my proposal for the Marinid map as well as my message about the Saadian map. I want to hear from you if that was possible. The other editor, M.Bitton, doesn't seem to like my opinions, so I think discussions with them is a complete waste of time. I hope I'm not bothering you by this message. Thanks. 808 AD (talk) 20:21, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

I believe I've already answered for the Marinid map ([4]). For the Saadian map, like I said before I don't mind simply changing which cities are labelled for informative purposes, but doing so requires technical work that would take time for me, and I don't have time to do that right now (and it's not urgent). If I have time in the future, I'll consider it. Apart from that, I don't see anything further that needs to be done. R Prazeres (talk) 20:28, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Regarding the Saadian map, I think we're in agreement, I won't ask for any thing more than that for the moment. However, as for the Marinid map, I made another suggestion after your last message. My proposal was to represent the main Marinid terrirory (which is what we already have in the article) + the largest extent, like what we have in the Hammadid map. And a map like that would be better to relatively summarize the Marinid history. I hope you got the message. Thanks. 808 AD (talk) 20:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Church of San Miguel Bajo, Albaicin

Hi, I am interested in writing about the above, as my first Spanish building article. I would be very grateful if you were able to advise on how I find out the church's reference on the Bien de Interés Cultural. I am making an assumption that it is registered as part of Spain's historic patrimony. This, [5] and this, [6], provide what look to be pretty comprehensive lists, but neither appears to be searchable/sortable. I'm very familiar with the English/Welsh historic buildings/places registers, but the Spanish register is very new to me. With many thanks in anticipation. KJP1 (talk) 08:31, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi KJP1. I believe you can find a database of all the cultural properties here. I found the church under the name "Iglesia de San Miguel El Bajo en el Albayzin". (For some reason I couldn't obtain a working URL to link directly to the entry, but you can search that name and find it quickly.) The entry itself doesn't contain much more info apart from the date it was registered to the list, I think.

If helpful, this site (also cited at Albaicín) does contain more details (in Spanish). It's run by Agencia Albaicin, which seems to be an official body that supervises heritage conservation in the area. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 09:12, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

First, sincere apologies for the delay in getting back. Real life is currently a little chaotic. Second, thanks for the very full and helpful reply - exactly what I was looking for. And you’re right, that is the church I was wanting. Now I just need to find some more sources and I’m good to go with an article. Thanks again. KJP1 (talk) 11:06, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

No apologies necessary, that's quite normal. I'm glad it was helpful! R Prazeres (talk) 17:24, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Fez

Hey R Prazeres! Just checking in with you about the potential FAC for Fez. It's getting close, but I still have several things to take care of. I was wondering if you might be able to assist me in finding sources about the following topics for inclusion in the article: Local flora and fauna, Parks, Healthcare and hospitals, Local media, and Pre-university education and literacy rates. Part of the trouble I'm having is that I can find sources about several of these topics for Morocco in general, but nothing specific to Fez. Also if you have any tips on searching for sources, I'm all ears. ––FormalDude (talk) 01:28, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, some of that might be tough. There may be some info in certain guidebooks, though that's not ideal. You may find some things in French-language and in Arabic-language media (I've looked at some French media, but I'm not fluent enough to search Arabic media). Another suggestion is to post some specific questions or request for help/recommendations at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Morocco again (we found one person there to help with a specific issue during the GA review, if you recall).

Some very minor notes about specific topics:

• I'm not sure what to look for in terms of flora and fauna, though there may be some sources about domesticated animals; e.g. for the donkeys in the medina, see this.
• I don't think there are many public parks and I actually found articles from 2014 and from 2022 criticizing the lack of green spaces in the city. I know of Jnane Sbile (mentioned in the "Gardens" section already) and of a small urban park in the new city called Jardin Lalla Amina I think (not to be confused with the similarly-named Lalla Mina Gardens in the royal palace grounds, it seems). Looking on Google Maps, I see a large park in the new city that seems to be called "Parc d'Amérique Latine" (but I also see the names "Parc Champ de Course" and "Parc Prestigia", not sure why). Mentioned in passing here, here, and here, but couldn't find much detail.
• Don't know much about hospitals but I found that the "Centre hospitalier universitaire (CHU) Hassan II" is mentioned in a few articles: [7], [8], [9].

I hope some of this is maybe useful to get started. R Prazeres (talk) 07:50, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Marrakesh

okey if u don’t accept my source for the founder of Marrakesh but please don’t change the pictures JannaD92 (talk) 02:11, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Your change of the images serves no purpose and there's nothing wrong with the existing selection. If you want to propose a change, please use the talk page as instructed. R Prazeres (talk) 02:28, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Almohad-Ayyubid war

The source says that the Ayyubid campaign to Ifriqiya was basically Saladin's decision. Which means he must be added as a commander. Well, I think you disagree because the the event was limited to the period between 1187 and 1188, but I think that's wrong since the Ayyubid-Banu Ghaniya conquest of Ifriqiya was way before those dates. (Banu Ghaniya should also be added to the infobox)TybenFree (talk) 01:36, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Saladin did not command anyone in person, so it doesn't make sense to include him; that implies he was there. (Also, for next time, this type of discussion should be on the talk page of the article, not on a user talk page.) R Prazeres (talk) 01:47, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Ms.Bittcoin and Aghlabids_Dynasty map, with Sardinia

Ms.Bittcoin is engaged in an edit war with everyone, in order to put everywhere this [debated map. See history on Commons and other pages on Wikipedia.--Skyfall (talk) 00:44, 19 January 2024 (UTC)