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Upcoming/Finished Matches

The difference between the two should be noted, for those that are not watching.Socby19 23:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)SocBy19[reply]

Breaking News!

Wikipedia should not offer first-hand news reports on breaking stories. Wikipedia is not a primary source. However, our sister project Wikinews does exactly that, and is intended to be a primary source. Wikipedia does have many encyclopedia articles on topics of historical significance that are currently in the news, and can be updated with recent verified information. (from WP:NOT) Suriel1981 00:50, 1 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Results and 'breaking news' are two different things.71.180.75.10 02:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh of course. Results = good. Blind speculation = bad. I think I was also trying to point out that as Wikipedia isn't a news site there was no need for a huge rush of people fighting to add information and make their mark on the article. It happened anyway ;^) ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹SpeakSign 00:29, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dance Segment

The individuals in the dance segment:

Who else? --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 00:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How could you forget "The Doctor of Style" Slick? TJ Spyke 00:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, Simmons was there but didn't dance. TJ Spyke 00:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The dance segment isn't notable. Backstage segments are not a big part of the show, period. It being Wrestlemania doesn't make it an exception. I've removed it from the article a few times, but people keep re-adding it for no reason. RobJ1981 04:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Simmons didn't dance? Damn! ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹SpeakSign 00:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Carlito/Ric Flair

I have added the Carlito and Ric Flair vs Chavo Guerrero and Gregory Helms, due to an article on WWE.com listing the match before Mania. Link is provided. Anakinjmt 00:07, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I was so sick of people saying a dark match happened (this is with other PPVs) and then not providing a source. TJ Spyke
well they did talk about it anout halfway through the pay per view so i wouldnt of thought a source would have been needed Cradle666 10:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I added it before they mentioned it at Mania. I noticed it during the Kane/Khali match. Anakinjmt 23:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Undertaker Winning

Seeing as Undertaker has won, should it be relevant to say he has defeated every member of evolution at Wrestlemania? MrLeCrow

No. TJ Spyke 01:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well at least we cleared it out of the way before people came and added that. MrLeCrow
"Evolution" doesn't even exist anymore. =) But shouldn't we also include a reference to Undertaker's 15-0 Streak?Aznality 04:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As John Cena's 'back to back defences' has been put in trivia then the 15-0 streak could go in there too IMO Suriel1981 04:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why the Evolution thing shouldn't be added in there. It was a prominent stable, of which all four members are (as of now) former world champions. For Undertaker to defeat all four of them as part of his big 15-0 streak is a notable accomplishment that should be noted somewhere. Seriously. It's this simple: "With his championship victory over Batista, the Undertaker is now 15-0 at WrestleMania, including victories over all four ex-members of Evolution." It's a quite notable truth. What is so wrong with putting that in there? 172.129.47.107 05:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
For one, they weren't all Evolution members at the time of their defeats. -- The Hybrid 05:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It has already been discussed and agree not to include Undertaker's streak in the individual WM articles. It is mentioned in the main WM articl, and has it's own subsection in the Undertaker's article. TJ Spyke 05:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its a fun piece of trivia about Undertaker defeating an entire stable. Which is one of the best parts of Wikipedia is the trivia sections, especially in the wrestling pages. JackalsIII 20:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

But he didn't defeat an entire stable did he? None of them were Evolution members at the time of their respective defeats, besides which Evolution has been gone for over 2 years now. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹SpeakSign 00:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia isn't supposed to be a collection of "fun pieces of trivia" either. Peace, -- The Hybrid 00:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Time for Lashley/Umaga...

How long was that match? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SuperSonicTH (talk • contribs) 02:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Don't know off the top of my head. I'm sure someone else will add it. I am recording the PPV, so I will add it after the PPV if no one else does. TJ Spyke 02:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This has been discussed before (on last year's WM article), and the consensus was not to inlcude it. It is mentioned on the main WrestleMania page though. TJ Spyke 04:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What's so special about Lashley's match that caused you to not include the time for it? Its standard Wiki procedure. SuperSonicTH 11:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dark Match Battle Royal

Let that be a lesson to all the idiots that were adamant that WWE were definitely going to have this match. Don't believe rumours some teen fanboy decides to put on some crappy forum. Suriel1981 03:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly, people just assumed they would have one since they did at the previous two WM's. Off-topic, but once again the Royal Rumble winner was NOT in the main event (hell, it was match #4 out of the 9 match PPV). TJ Spyke 03:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I guess we've got Backlash to look forward to now... <sighs> Suriel1981 03:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weren't there only 8 matches? Besides, the main event isn't a position on a card.Koberulz 14:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fan Interference

At the beginning of the Cena match, after the ref patted down Shawn, did a fan run in the ring and then they cut away? chadking704 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.171.86.158 (talk) 04:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Dunno. Why not go to a news site and see? Suriel1981 04:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there was a fan gettign into the ring and the ref ran over to keep him out, and the cut away. Michaels got on the top rope and sat there, waving goodbye to him. ProtoWolf 04:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, im pretty sure i saw that.

71.249.82.78 20:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I saw it. It isn't important though. -- The Hybrid 23:13, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody seems intent on an edit war because they believe the incident was "very notable". I challenge anyone to prove, using Wikipedia policy, that the incident was notable. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹SpeakSign 23:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Undertaker's Entrance

No other Wrestlemania articles describe Undertaker's entrance, so we either need to remove the description of it in this article, or describe it in the rest of the Wrestlemania's he has participated in... ProtoWolf 04:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

See WrestleMania XIV. It's noted because it's a unique entrance (the same way we noted Cena's entrance last year). TJ Spyke 04:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
However he did the same thing at WrestleMania XX and it is not noted at all in that article. If anything it seems more like trivia that he did it the same way as he did at WrestleMania XIV. ProtoWolf 04:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't notice it was noted at WM XX. TJ Spyke 04:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No, I said it wasn't noted ate WM XX, but he did enter to the music with druids, and it is not noted. So it should be noted there, or removed from here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ProtoWolf (talk • contribs) 04:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

"the highest-grossing event in professional wrestling history~!"

The highest grossing event in professional wrestling history took place on October 9, 1995 in Yokohama Japan. 57,000+ fans and a gate of $6.1 million. Source - Death of WCW, Alvarez & Baer, pg 316

Hmm... Well until somebody here actually gets the book I'm afraid the statement stays in because it is the only source available at the moment. -- bulletproof 3:16 05:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually Mick Foley's first autobiog refers to that match as having a 6 million gross. It was a combined supershow. Would Foley, Bryan Alvarez and Real Deal be suitable sources? I say we wait, if we can quote two books and, say, Wrestling Observer then we could overrule the statement on this article. Suriel1981 05:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have no problem with that. Just find a reliable source and we'll change it in the article. -- bulletproof 3:16 05:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Suriel, do you know where in his book Foley says it? I have his first two autobiographies, so I can confirm it for you. TJ Spyke 05:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, it's when Foley's talking about working for Tatskuni Asano in IWA:Japan with them putting on a 6-man tag deathmatch, Foley trying to set a chair on fire and Asano getting so mad at them that he hit a referee backstage. Suriel1981 06:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to a Power Slam supplemental I'm now reading, the show actually was April 2, 1995 from the Tokyo Dome and 60,000 attendance. This is the one Foley was referring to as having a $6m house. Hope I'm not getting shows confused. Suriel1981 06:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's pg 422 of the first book, though that is a different show than the one I mentioned. The 10/09/95 card was NJPW vs UWFi. Additionally, a show the next year with Takada vs Hashimoto did well over 5 million. So WM23 as the biggest gate ever is bullshit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CASE (talk • contribs)

I will change it to "in North America" for now. TJ Spyke 06:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Crikey, I was just looking through www.wrestletapes.net (probably not a citeable source I know) and they give several NJPW supershows at drawing well in excess of $5 million. It doesn't look like WM23 has it. Suriel1981 06:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I should point out that the $5 million amount came when they had sold 63,000 tickets. We will have to wait to see how much those extra 13,000 tickets added. TJ Spyke 06:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah WWE's corporate site will have a press release up on the event in the next few hours.-- bulletproof 3:16 06:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've got a press release here [1] stating $5.38m, however that was a few hours ago. Suriel1981 07:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
awesome entrance, however i dont think it was 'o fortuna' im pretty sure it was his normal entrance music. Cradle666 10:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, Steve Corino uses a remix of O Fortuna as his entrance music and the Undertaker is probably to scared of him to steal his gimmick Suriel1981 15:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Undertaker used both. First the druids came out to O Fortuna, then Undertaker came out to his regular music. TJ Spyke 21:24, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
so shouldn't the article be changed? only the druids came out to 'o fortuna' not the undertaker as stated??? Cradle666 22:15, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
O Fortuna was only used by Undertaker at WrestleMania XIV. The druid entrances from WM20 onwards have used generic druid music while Undertaker uses his regular theme. -- Oakster  Talk  22:57, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dark Match lumberjacks

They are not currently listed, so I will ask. Does anybody know if Stevie Richards, Val Venis, Little Guido, Scotty 2 Hotty, Funaki, or Johnny Nitro were included as lumberjacks? DaHumorist talk 1:36 2 April, 2007

I didn't see them. Wrestling Observer doesn't mention them, and wwe.com doesn't mention them. So I guess not. TJ Spyke 05:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
According to http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/52565/Notes-From-WWE-WrestleMania-23.htm there are more unlisted participants including Val, Nitro, Scotty, Funaki, Duggan, Eugene, Vito, Guido, Cade, Murdoch, Kenny, Yang, and Nobles, so I added them. Still no mention of Stevie, Rene, Regal, or Dave Taylor though... DaHumorist talk 2:19 2 April, 2007

Hall of Fame Class

Did Dusty Rhodes come out? He's not listed in the article. Tomtyke 15:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've added him. I'm fairly certian he did indeed come out.....Gavyn Sykes 15:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He did, -- The Hybrid 17:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He's come to terms with his homosexuality then? Suriel1981 17:56, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

HAHA! That was funny......

This isn't a forum, you know. Gavyn Sykes 18:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Come on man, we're all supposed to be friends here. Everything doesn't have to be formal. Get a sense of humor. -- The Hybrid 22:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If only I'd made that remark about Al Snow I could have gotten a barnstar from Mick Foley. But yes indeed, Dusty Rhodes entered came into went up the aisleway was present in the arena with the rest of the HoF class. Suriel1981 18:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2 Things

-There was a part in the Trivia section that mentioned Undertaker and John Cena as being undefeated but didnt mention Rob Van Dam who is also undefeated being 4-0. Just thought id note it here incase someone adds it again.

-Should the WrestleMania set be noted in the article because wwe.com said this was the highest stage ever used and the longest entrance way. It also morphed for different entrances (I didnt notice this but it was mentioned on wwe.com) Don.-.J 16:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd personally say that if you can word it and provide a reference then go ahead. It seems like a piece of trivia that differenciates this WM from the 22 previous and a morphing entrance (I didn't see the show so I can't comment) has to be unique in wrestling/boxing/MMA pay-per-views Suriel1981 16:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The set did morph occasionally, specifically for Edge's entrance I remember. All of the competitors came out of the side, but the side Trons moved in to the center so they couldn't see Edge until he came out of the middle of them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ProtoWolf (talk • contribs) 17:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Adding streaks to the individual articles is against consensus. Neither Edge or Taker should be mentioned. That goes in their articles. -- The Hybrid 17:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-ok, i couldnt think of a good way to word the part about the WrestleMania set so heres the link to the wwe.com article describing the set Don.-.J 20:31, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about the ring ropes?

I believe this was the first WrestleMania to use white ring ropes so I think it should be noted here.Ppcha 17 16:47, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Sheik's widow

I believe her name was Joyce Fahart or something similiar. If someone can confirm the name, is there any reason not to add her name. Right now, she's just refered to as "The Sheik's widow." Gavyn Sykes 17:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Joyce Farhat she is. The WWE Hall of Fame article has already set a precedent for adding the acceptee's name so yeah, add it. Suriel1981 17:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cena winning

This year mark cena and undertaker defeating stables at this years wrestlemania, Undertaker defeating all former Evloution members (Batista, Flair, Orton, and HHH) and Cena defeating current and founder DX members (HBK and HHH). Should this be notice under the triva columm? or ignored? Dro Boy April 2, 2007

I think ignore is the common view. Darrenhusted 20:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cena beat HBK before

71.249.82.78 20:21, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

He means AT Wrestlemania. But yeah, it's not that relevant. !Gavyn Sykes 00:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

World Tag Team Champions

Is this the first time that the World Tag Team Champions faced each other at wrestlemania. This is not to be confused with the WWE Tag Team Champions which were Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio. They faced at Wrestlemania 21. Does anyone know if the World Tag Team Champions ever faced each other in a singles match at Wrestlemania? Please tell me! Big Boss 0 22:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It might well be the first time recognised World Tag Champs have faced off for a recognised World Title at a major supershow in North America. I don't really have the personal inclination to check all the records but previous occasions don't spring to memory ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹SpeakSign 22:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

7th Straight

Shouldn't it be noted that with Taker winning, this marks the 7th Straight Wrestlemania that the winner of the Royal Rumble Match went on to win the WWE/World Heavyweight Title? 24.239.158.35 00:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

IMO, no. TJ Spyke 00:22, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You could note it at Royal Rumble#Records and statistics, it's more interesting than several of the points they have there already. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹SpeakSign 00:33, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fan Run-In?

Do you think that we should mention something about the fan running into the ring before the bell rang for the Cena-Michaels match? MakeDamnSure 01:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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