Talk:WWNY-TV

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the only game in town?

From the 'coverage area' section: "For many years, WWNY's largest viewership was in Kingston, since for nearly 20 years it was the only station routinely available over-the-air other than the local CKWS-TV."

Um, no. While CIII-TV 2 signed on (as CKGN) in January 1974 (vs. 1954/55 for CKWS and WWNY), it was the last of the VHF stations to go on the air in the Kingston-Watertown area. There were already three stations (NBC 3, CBS 5 WHEN, ABC 9 WSYR) in Syracuse (which came in poorly, receivable only with a full-size outdoor antenna) and three local stations (CJOH-TV 6 CTV, WWNY 7, CKWS 11 CBC) in Kingston-Watertown. WPBS-TV (as WNPE) was likely the first UHF station in Kingston-Watertown (1971), followed several years later by an underpowered ABC repeater (of WUTR 20 Utica) on 50 (which has since become WWTI, a full-power local station). CBLFT 32 and CICA 38 are more recent additions (mid-1980's).

CJOH 6 was the last of the three CJOH VHF transmitters to go live (first was CJOH 13 Ottawa, then CJOH 8 Cornwall) but it does pre-date the 1974 addition of CKGN to this market by many years. Furthermore, once 2 Bancroft did go live, it was a hundred miles from Kingston-Watertown (Bancroft is an hour north of Belleville) and therefore no better a signal than the Syracuse, New York VHF locals. It might be worth checking when the third CJOH transmitter went on-air before designating WWNY and CKWS as the only game in town for nearly twenty years? They were first, but I'd suspect CJOH 6 has been around for longer than one may realise? --carlb 21:28, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CJOH-6 went on the air in 1972. So from 1954-72 (18 years...the nearly 20 as stated in the article) CKWS and WWNY were the only reliable over the air signals in Kingston.

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transmitter location

The lead has the transmitter located in Wilna, New York. The license is in Carthage, New York (Carthage is in Wilna, West Carthage is not) but the transmitter is on Champion Hill in Champion, New York. The claim of a digital subchannel for CBS on WNYF-CD 35 also looks suspect, as that transmitter is on the same tower as WWNY-DT 7 at low power (so anyone who can see 35 already has 7). The UHF 35 antenna was a leftover from the pointless simulcast US stations were required to provide during DTV transition (WWNY was 7 analogue/35 digital). K7L (talk) 22:17, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what to make of this. According to [1] WWNY-TV had a 1952-era construction permit for UHF 48 right in Watertown, which was never built... instead they suddenly decided that they wanted to serve Carthage. As a VHF 7 station. It almost looked plopped this down on a hill in tiny Champion, New York because that just happened to be almost exactly 175 miles away from Buffalo (which would get co-channel WKBW 7 - Wimpy Kitty Baby Whiners of "Bruce Almighty" fame - in 1958). Of course, once you list a tiny place on the license, you can't change it - as the FCC won't take away a little village's only TV or FM station absent some very specific extenuating circumstances.

DT35 and its ugly directional pattern also look weird, unless they forced the coverage pattern this way to prevent the 750kW WWNY-DT analog/digital simulcast from interfering with some crummy Peterborough station on 35... only to have their face get stuck in that incredibly awkward expression when they reused the same side-mount antenna for the LPTV (CD) station. From the northwest, it's rubbish. Hence the need to duplicate 28.1 onto 7.2 in SDTV. But no, there is no CBS on WNYF-CD 35 at any time after the end of the analog simulcast (when that channel was still WWNY-DT).

I'd like to see a clear explanation "the station is licensed to Carthage because (X)" but don't have a reliable source to make that statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.237.91.215 (talk) 00:38, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]