Talk:Racial issues faced by black quarterbacks

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Tyrod Taylor

@WuTang94: The new wording of this section is better, but I'm having a hard time finding where "Other fans noted his efficiency and low turnovers and argued that he was unfairly criticized due to his race" is supported in the Mina Kimes article. Can you point me to the appropriate part? Eagles 24/7 (C) 04:40, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Eagles247: Part of the second section of the article cites Taylor's low turnover rate: "The combination of those explosive plays and Taylor's low turnover rate -- since becoming a starter, he has thrown an interception on 1.4 percent of his passes, fourth best in the NFL -- is rare, he adds, which is why the lack of appreciation for Taylor in Buffalo befuddles him." The fourth part of the article talks specifically about black quarterbacks, right before it pulls Taylor's "black quarterbacks" quote from the Buffalo News: "There are a number of reasons for this disparity, ranging from socioeconomic forces to stereotypes about who should play the role. Many gifted young black quarterbacks are encouraged to switch positions-some in high school, and others-as may be the case with Louisville's Lamar Jackson-as a prerequisite for playing in the NFL. They're also compared with one another when they have little in common (take, for example, the notion that EJ Manuel, hardly a prolific rusher, is "the same" as Taylor) and are often described as leaning on their athletic gifts or being unable to read defenses." Much of the criticism of Taylor was regarding his dual threat style of play, and "dual threat" is often used interchangeably with "black quarterback", as Kimes does in her article. Perhaps I could change "argued" to "suggested".--WuTang94 (talk) 05:00, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @WuTang94: Unfortunately, I believe that's a violation of WP:SYNTH to construct Kimes' opinion that way. Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:07, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Eagles247: Okay, since that's the case I went ahead and removed the "for his race" blurb. Is the section passable without it, or should more be taken out? WuTang94 (talk) 16:02, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - @WuTang94: As it currently stands, I don't believe the entire first paragraph adds anything to this article. The second paragraph with the interview for The Buffalo News is notable. Eagles 24/7 (C) 16:24, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      - @Eagles247: Good point. Now that I look at it, the paragraph provides some context but that's about it. I'll admit that politically charged articles like this one can be a bit tricky on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WuTang94 (talk • contribs) 16:29, 28 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Updating opening paragraph

Hi there, I'd like to suggest that we revise the final sentence of the opening paragraph so that it reads: - In 2017, nearly 70% of NFL players were black, while only 5 quarterbacks (16%) who were predicted to start the season were black. By 2020, the number of starting quarterbacks who were black had risen to 9 (28%).

Hahah Wait, is this for real? "This article needs attention from an expert in American football or African diaspora. The specific problem is: tone and NOR/citations. (February 2019)" Ahahahaha. 216.209.114.128 (talk) 14:06, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that the change to the first sentence more accurately reflects what is argued in footnote 1 (the article by Jason Reid and Jane McManus), while the figure for 2020 has been reached by looking at the quarterbacks who started for each of the 32 teams in the first two games of the 2020 season. As yet, I can't seem to find any article which mentions these figures so would welcome suggestions from people. Jono1011 (talk) 13:07, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jono1011 That should be okay as long as you can find a verifiable source on it and cite it. In fact, source #15 may back it up.--WuTang94 (talk) 23:36, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]