Talk:Causes of sexual violence

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Taking out the gang rape section

I am taking this section out because the causes listed for gang rape have been described in the social norms section of the article, and since this article is about the causes of sexual violence and doesn't list all types of sexual violence to explain causes in that way, I am taking it off. Reliablesourceconnoisseur (talk) 01:46, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Added a new section (The Propensity Models of Sexual Aggression) that might require the removal of the current (small) psych sub-section

Hello, I have added the propensity model of sexual aggression section to this article because the current section that describes psychological factors in sexual aggression are based primarily on one type of sexual violence (rape), is utilizing outdated sources, and lacks the proper subsections (as there are many theories for what psychological traits can predispose one to commit an act of sexual violence). The propensity model of sexual aggression needs its own section because it, just like societal factors and evolutionary factors, is one of the leading (group of) theories as to why sexual aggression occurs. Reliablesourceconnoisseur (talk) 01:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was to merge Miradre (talk) 18:11, 31 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article Motivation for rape has overlapping contents with this article. Most of the material in this article is about rape. Rape of course also has many overlapping causes with other forms of sexual violence. So better to have the material in this article and in the text describe what is about rape specifically and maybe have sections just about rape.Miradre (talk) 15:30, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Only men on women?

This article seems to focus only on men perpetrating sexual violence against women. While this might be (might) the most frequent pattern, it is by no means the only one. Shouldn't other scenarios be addressed? 140.147.236.195 (talk) 15:15, 24 August 2011 (UTC)Stephen Kosciesza[reply]

I've removed two really egregious instances of bias in the article:

I removed the two biggest things, "Sexual violence committed by men is to a large extent rooted in ideologies of male sexual entitlement." and "Boys are brought up to be sexually aggressive, dominant and conquering, as a way of affirming their masculinity". Neither had a source. I'll flag the article for being one-sided as well.

xSlappy XSlappy (talk) 23:17, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Sexual violence committed by men is to a large extent rooted in ideologies of male sexual entitlement."

- does this damn place think only men can be entitled / rapists and shit? Women aren't the only victims here. Get your feminist bullshit outta here. 75.133.70.162 (talk) 15:40, 20 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Groth Typology and Family Honour And Sexual Purity sections

A typology of rape says nothing about the causes of rape, it merely classifies rape into categories. Similarly, the section on family honour and sexual purity merely addresses responses to rape, not causes to rape (as well as containing OR and synthesis). These sections contain information relevant to the broad topic of rape, but say nothing about the causes of sexual violence. The groth typology section could be put in types of rape and the Family Honour And Sexual Purity section should be in either Effects and aftermath of rape or victim blaming, but neither has any place in this article in their current forms. 89.100.150.198 (talk) 22:55, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Groth typology, as well as the sections on family honor and sexual purity discuss the motivation, i.e., the causes for rape. Allow me to be the third editor to revert your section blanking. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 13:30, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The importence of Groth typology should be made clear. Please do not put it here if its importence is not justified. Why is it in the top of the article? Why is it so important ? If not properly answered, I will then delete it and put it near the end of the article.

"Thornhill argues that rape is culturally determined, not genetically"

I've only read the introduction to this book but I think the sentence that starts "Thornhill argues that rape is culturally determined, not genetically" is completely wrong. Isn't the whole point of Thornhill and Palmer's book the exact opposite?

See, e.g., the blurb on Amazon: "The book's central argument is that rape is a genetically developed strategy sustained over generations of human life because it is a kind of sexual selection--a successful reproductive strategy. This runs directly counter to the prevailing notion--that rape is predominantly about violent power, and only secondarily about sex." http://www.amazon.com/Natural-History-Rape-Biological-Coercion/dp/0262201259 111.69.192.220 (talk) 10:08, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Who the heck is Nicholas Groth and why should his views be in this article?

This person's name just comes out of the blue and there isn't even a Wikipedia article about him! At the very least, there should be some biographical information about him. If his is a well accepted view on rape types and causes, then there should be some introduction saying so and citing a source that says his work is highly regarded. Ileanadu (talk) 16:31, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote the 1979 book entitled, “Men Who Rape: The Psychology of the Offender.” Beyond this, he acted as the director of a sex offender program in Connecticut and is cited in hundreds of scholarly journal articles related to maladaptive sexual behaviors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by But-actually (talk • contribs) 03:38, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed title change

I propose to change the title into Reasons and causes of sexual violence. Men who rape are no robots. Andries (talk) 13:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure whether my proposed title is correct English. Please let me know. Andries (talk) 11:38, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your title isn't an improvement. I guess you object to "cause" as this seems to leave out free will, but "reasons" doesn't clarify anything. Standard English would be "Reasons for and causes of...". Bhny (talk) 11:59, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So you think that Reasons for and causes of sexual violence is worse than the current title? To me the current title sounds strange and one-sided for reasons that you stated, but I am not a native speaker. Andries (talk) 15:25, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it is terrible. I don't even understand how a reason would differ from a cause. Bhny (talk) 16:41, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Evolutionary explanations given short shrift (and space)

The evolutionary explanations of violent sexual behavior in humans (almost always from the male side) have acquired significant scientific status, as have most evolutionary analyses. So far, there has been, indeed, a lot of "controversy" (the epithet is apt) but at the same time little rebuttal, let alone refutation. The issue is considered "controversial", and evolutionary explanations are condemned by sociologists, feminists and law enforcement agencies on the quite false notion that these theories seek to justify sexual violence, and specifically male-on-female rape, while this is evidently not the case at all. Brothers and sisters, non ridere, non lugere, neque detestari; sed intelligere.
We must rectify this. -The Gnome (talk) 17:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sexual gratification - “Most rapists do not have a preference for rape over consensual sex.”?

In the section Sexual Gratification, there is a paragraph which begins with “Most rapists do not have a preference for rape over consensual sex.” This is largely unconvincing. The author of that module apparently cited multiple researches to support his/her view, but, I have read not only in one place(National Geographic, for example) that rapists have a much higher arousal to rape than consensual sex. In fact it is very normal that a lot of sadistic rapists aim at gaining pleasure from torture/special sex instead of for "power" or "rage". I suggest at least incorporate opposing views. Anon J (talk) 03:42, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural break time?

'Some researchers have noted that alcohol may act as a cultural break time', what on earth does that mean? 86.178.24.61 (talk) 22:28, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have tagged that unfortunate wording. Flyer22 (talk) 22:32, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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