Talk:Spiranthes sheviakii

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Spiranthes × kapnosperia

Looks like I could just move the page - hopefully that did not break anything! Allefant (talk) 11:29, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I'm a new Wikipedia user here who is also very interested in orchids. Pace (2023) is actually a very controversial paper, not being accepted by Hough and later being rebuffed by Catling and Kostiuk (2023). Whether S. sheviakii is a valid species has become an ongoing dispute, so it is by no means settled whether it is or is not a synonym of S. ×kapnosperia. I'd love to work with you to update the Wikipedia page if you're willing. Galearis2 (talk) 19:40, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Spiranthestriloba made the changes to replace sheviakii with kapnosperia throughout the article. As far as I'm concerned we could have two separate articles, then maybe combine them later once it is sorted out botanically. I'm willing to help, both with making this article about sheviakii again, and with finding papers for a new article about kapnosperia (it had been on my list of articles to start anyway).

Let's see what @Spiranthestriloba thinks and then I guess whoever has time first can start editing. Allefant (talk) 16:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the paper by Catling and Kostiuk btw.: https://www.nativeorchidconference.org/_files/ugd/8170e0_6aa0dc1cd68f45928b0fbfaa80c47e4b.pdf

Definitely sounds like S. sheviakii can be seen as a different species from S. ×kapnosperia for now. Allefant (talk) 18:42, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, I went ahead and undid the page move and restored the last version of when it was about S. sheviakii. All content should be referenced to proper sources. What is missing now is some information or at least mention of kapnosperia.

I split the new section about kapnosperia into a new article Spiranthes × kapnosperia. So no edits should have been lost except the ones merely replacing the species names. In the kapnosperia article I removed the descriptions as they had been entirely sourced from papers talking about sheviakii which will be wrong when we consider them different (even though extremely closely related) species. For example the range is very different. Whoever gets to it should fill in information in the kapnosperia article, based on sources about kapnosperia only. Allefant (talk) 15:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]