Talk:11th SS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Division Nordland

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user:DMorpheus, if you're going to keep undoing my edit, I suggest you start adding that to all other division's pages. See how popular that decision is on the LSSAH page. I will continue to undo your changes if you keep insisting on such ridiculous additions. And if you're going to call it 'whitewash' keep it mind, SS Nordland was never implicated in ANY war crimes, and unless some come to light I DO NOT see how it is not redundant. Anyone can go to the Waffen SS page and see that. And if you want to fight me on this, I will get admins involved. I was preparing a major addition to this article and I do not want the start of the article cleanup to be interrupted while I am mid-work.user:ratzinger81

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 18:13, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

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Dubious unsourced claims

I have largely completed the edits to remove various dubious unsourced claims, non-NPOV language and non-NPOV linking. If anyone would like to review the article for any resulting inaccuracies or ce issues, that would be much appreciated. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

British Free Corps

The below is a copy-paste of my discussion with User:Alekksandr on our respective Talk pages.

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I came across the below statement sourced to the BBC article; upon quick scanning I don't see references to BFC participating in the fighting. Since you appear to have expert knowledge on the subject, could you review and let me know if the below should stay?

East Prussia and Pomerania

In early February 1945, the refitted Panzer Battalion returned to the division along with other reinforcements. Among these was the platoon-sized British Free Corps, a British Waffen-SS unit. On 16 February, the division participated in Operation Sonnenwende, the plan to destroy a Soviet salient and to relieve the troops encircled in the town of Arnswalde. Initially, Nordland's attack achieved a tactical surprise and the division soon advanced to the banks of Lake Ihna. However, the Soviet forces offered stiff resistance and the advance began to slow. On 17 February, the division reached Arnswalde and relieved the garrison.

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K.e.coffman (talk) 20:00, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

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Douglas Berneville-Claye

Thanks for your message about 11th SS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Division Nordland. The man to whom you refer has an article at Douglas Berneville-Claye.

In early March 1945 when he was appointed to the staff of the III (Germanic) SS Panzer Corps at Templin, dressed as a SS Hauptsturmführer. He was invited to dine with the III Corps commander, Obergruppenführer Felix Steiner, where he explained that although he was a captain in the Coldstream Guards and a member of the British peerage, "Lord Charlesworth", he was a firm anti-communist and had volunteered to fight to preserve Europe from the Communist threat. Apparently, he was so convincing that Steiner took him at face value. At that time, the remains of the British Free Corps were in the same area, and Steiner decided to appoint Claye to take charge of them. On 19 April 1945 he arrived at the Corps' base in Templin 'dressed in a black SS tank uniform bearing the insignia of Hauptsturmführer in the British Free Corps.' Claye told the Corps members 'that he was the son of an earl, a captain in the Coldstream Guards and was going to collect two armoured cars and lead them against the Russians. He also guaranteed that the BFC men would be in no trouble with the British authorities, telling them that Britain would be at war with the Russians within a few days.'. When the Corps members refused to follow him, Claye took Alexander MacKinnon, one of the Free Corps soldiers, as a driver, and headed west in a stolen vehicle. He discarded his German uniform and surrendered to a British airborne unit somewhere west of Schwerin."

Am I (GT) right in thinking that the 11th SS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Division Nordland was a subdivision of the III (Germanic) SS Panzer Corps?

Adrian Weale's book 'Renegades' says that the BFC were in Dresden when the British bombing raid started on the evening of 12th February 1945, were soon afterwards arrested en masse because one of their members claimed to have prior knowledge of the raid, and then traveled from Dresden to Berlin on 24th February. Which certainly does not tie in with them fighting in present-day Poland on 16th and 17th February. I suggest deleting the statement that the BFC were involved in Operation Sonnenwende. Alekksandr (talk) 20:31, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

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I will go ahead and remove the originally cited reference to the BFC from the article. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:00, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Recent edit

Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "c/e for concision & npov; reduce unsourced material". --K.e.coffman (talk) 01:15, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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