Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nay Shwe Thway Aung

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The result was keep. There's far too much off-topic commentary here and precious little substance; I am seeing a substantiated argument to keep based on WP:GNG, and no convincing refutation of those sources. Vanamonde (Talk) 03:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nay Shwe Thway Aung[edit]

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Non notable, fails WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. A trash of the nation. Wikipedia: Notability is not inherited. TDH Skypaper (talk) 12:55, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:11, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Myanmar-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:11, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a non-notable person. Just being related to the former dicator does not give automatic notability. 136.228.175.255 (talk) 18:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC) — 136.228.175.255 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete per nom. Phothudaw (talk) 18:30, 17 December 2020 (UTC) — 136.228.175.43 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete. Notability isn't passed on by your family. I initially thought Senior General's Grandson Orders Attack on Business Rival might have hinted at notability, but it was literally that he paid some goons to beat someone up once, not a military act. FalconK (talk) 05:46, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above comments. Ninja✮Strikers ^«☎» 10:58, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note to admin, There are clearly WP:IDONTLIKE! The nominator is a WP:SOCKLEGIT and first and second votes are come from the same range IP addresses with no edit on other pages, and also pretending as an account named Phyothudaw. I thought these votes would be tied up with the nominator. I have restored the notable information, removed by the nominator see Nay Shwe Thway Aung is considered one of the most hated people in Myanmar. Here is why! Many people are trying to delete him on Wikipedia. 65.18.127.85 (talk) 12:00, 18 December 2020 (UTC) — 65.18.127.85 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep Nay Shwe Thway Aung is a public figure and notable tycoon who has earned a reputation as the most notorious member of the ruling family. He has been accused of ordering military officers serving as his assistants to carry out attacks on business rivals, according to this source from The Irrawaddy, a major media in Myanmar.

Moreover, plenty of significant coverage both included in the article and per search see Burmese Media Lead with Than Shwe's Favorites (A dead The Irrawaddy article, recovered with archive.org), Senior General's Grandson Orders Attack on Business Rival (a coverage from 2010), Than Shwe’s Grandson: Geek, Playboy or Gangster?, BBC repored his contribution between his grandfather and current state leader Aung San Suu Kyi, A gossip news from The Myanmar Times and gossip news 2 from The Irrawaddy, Publisher Sidelines CEO Who Alleged Threats by Than Shwe’s Grandson.

Furthermore A sig coverage titled: “ဒေါ်အောင်ဆန်းစုကြည်၊ ဖိုးလပြည့်နဲ့ သတင်းမီဒီယာ လောက” ("Aung San Suu Kyi, Phoe La Pyae and Burmese Media World") from Mizzima, A coverage titled: "Daw Aung San Suu Kyi confirms meeting with Pho La Pyae", A sig coverage titled: "Pho La Pyae said after meeting with Aung San Suu Kyi that he would help the country".

He was emphasizing documented in the historic book named "Than Shwe: Unmasking Burma’s Tyrant"

Moreover, some non-trivial coverage [1], [2], [3] shows that he is also a notable singer. He performed in the national level event "Miss Universe Myanmar 2019 Event" [4], [5], [6].

I think this amount of coverage allows this to pass WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. Editors from other countries should decide to bring this matter to justice because many people in Myanmar hate him a lot. There are many WP:IDONTLIKE. 65.18.127.85 (talk) 12:58, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

many more [7], [8], [9].

Comment The article was created by an user that blocked for sock. Above ip seem fishy as sock also ...... Matthew hk (talk) 13:54, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sock but first and second votes are clearly sock of nominator. 65.18.127.85 (talk) 14:00, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I don't want to use my account for fear of real-life repercussions (He once bulldozed a restaurant for disagreeing with him). ~~That aside, in all fairness, the subject certainly does not meet WP:GNG.~~ (Update below, he may meet GNG but still not notable due to "trivial coverage"). His coverage is either gossip that doesn't meet WP:RS or is about his granddad. For example: "Pho La Pyae arranges a meeting between Aung San Suu Kyi and Than Shwe." You can see that it's not him that is the focus of the article. He himself hasn't done anything notable. For example, there are millions of people who attack business rivals every day. Hundreds of millions write songs nobody ever watches. That doesn't mean they deserve an article on Wikipedia. By the way, based on what is known about his behaviors and the value he puts on Wikipedia article, the above IP is really fishy. I don't know about the nominator, but even if he has violated some rules, it shouldn't affect this deletion discussion. This discussion should be all about whether to delete the article. 73.170.255.4 (talk) 07:29, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this user is a sock of nominator, he voted several times via IPs and account above. I would like to CU request. There are many IPs are trying to vote this discussion. He also created other SOCKLEGIT User:SSH remoteserver. He created many SOCKLEGIT accounts. Please see his edit history. He said "I don't know about the nominator", well well "Theif don't say He is a thief". 65.18.127.111 (talk) 10:52, 19 December 2020 (UTC) — 65.18.127.111 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Amm! btw Matthew hk and the nominator, Do not wait for the creator's vote! She already knows that this is a "sock trap" and she will not vote with account 😂. Because she dont create Wiki account for the long times. She asked me to let you know she was Ok that this article had been deleted. We (I'm not her but fri on FB) apologize for giving you a hope! Thanks for your waiting. 😘😆 65.18.127.111 (talk) 11:03, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for confirming your identity and your connection to the creator. Note that we didn't out you. As for the rest, see WP:DFTT. 73.170.255.4 (talk) 15:31, 19 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I misunderstood WP:GNG. It may meet GNG but still not notable. That's because there's nothing else he's known for. It's not good for an encyclopedic entry; as his grandad is out of power, nobody is interested in him, not now, not in the future. He said he's a musician. He doesn't meet any of the WP:ENTERTAINER criterion. He has no following. Nobody ever listens to his music. Nobody cares or knows about it. He said he's a businessman, but nobody knows what his business is. Sources like The Irrawaddy acted like the Daily Mail in the past to survive. So, junta's son articles were published as a form of "gossipping." Many of those will be deleted in the future as the Irrawaddy revamps their servers. According to WP:INHERIT, just having an association is not enough. He is defnitely not notable as an independent subject. 73.170.255.4 (talk) 15:22, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. ‘Future Leader’ Suu Kyi Wins Than Shwe’s Support: Grandson and more below
1. Moe, Wai (8 December 2010). "Than Shwe's Granddaughter Celebrates 4th Birthday with Rangoon Elite". The Irrawaddy.
  The article notes:
  
  Nay Shwe Thway Aung, also known as Phoe La Pyae Thwe, who many say is being groomed to succeed his grandfather.
2. "Jealousies Divide 'United' Junta". The Irrawaddy. 14 March 2011.
  The article notes: "Reports from Naypyidaw suggest that several military officers dislike Nay Shwe Thway Aung because he has assumed a high rank within military circles despite the fact he has never served in the army and is reputed to be pretentious. Displeasure was also expressed by the military elite that Than Shwe's grandson was permitted to sit in the front row beside his grandfather at official photo shoots."
3. PAQUETTE, DAVID (March 2010). "The Coming Cyber War: The Young Pretender". The Irrawaddy.
  The article notes: "Nay Shwe Thway Aung has various reputations. As the first and favorite grandson of Snr-Gen Than Shwe, the slim, bespectacled 18-year-old is already one of the country’s biggest celebrities––although he invariably makes headlines for all the wrong reasons."
  ...
  In September, he was the subject of the gossip mills again when he and some accomplices reportedly trashed a café in Rangoon owned by a rival from another military family.
4. "Poe La Pyae Insulted Me, Says Traffic Policeman". The Irrawaddy. 12 April 2013.
  The article notes:
  
  Htin Kyaw, an activist who led demonstrations against the Burmese military regime’s sudden increase in fuel prices in August 2007, recently filed a lawsuit against Poe La Pyae at Kamayut police station because of the way the former junta chief’s grandson treated a traffic policeman.
  ...
  Htin Kyaw added that slapping uniformed government service personnel on duty is considered a challenge to the rule of law in the country.
5. "Than Shwe's Grandson Appears With Burma's New Miss Universe". The Irrawaddy. 7 October 2013.
  The article notes:
  
  The grandson is no stranger to controversy and was at the center of a scandal in his teenage years when rumors spread that he was involved with certain Burmese celebrities and models. He was accused of kidnapping a top celebrity Wutt Hmone Shwe Yi when he was 17.
  ...
  Nay Shwe Thway Aung was also implicated in a drug scandal in Rangoon in 2009. Two of his friends, Burmese tycoon Maung Weik and a son of Lt-Gen Ye Myint, Aung Zaw Ye Myint, were arrested after a member of the Than Shwe family found some pills—thought to be ecstasy—on Nay Shwe Thway Aung’s person.
6. Mon, Kyaw Hsu (26 October 2016). "Business Community Casts Optimistic Eye to the Future". The Irrawaddy.
  The article notes:
  
  At a meeting in Naypyidaw on Oct. 22 between State Counselor Daw Aung San Suu Kyi and 158 of the country’s top-listed tax payers, the de facto leader addressed concerns over what would happen to “cronies.” Former junta supremo Than Shwe’s grandson Nay Shwe Thway Aung, were among who attended the meeting in Naypyidaw.
7. Ni, Ye (20 April 2010). "Burma's Watered Down Festival". The Irrawaddy.
  The article notes:
  
  Than Shwe’s favorite grandson, Nay Shwe Thway Aung, gets top billing on the festival circuit. The 19-year-old will appear at festivities in Naypyidaw, Rangoon and Mandalay.
  ...
  According to a source in Rangoon, Than Shwe's grandson will host his own pavilion on Prome Road near Inya Lake in Rangoon, bypassing rules laid down by the Yangon City Development Committee (YCDC) and the SPDC Rangoon Division.
8. Moe, Wai (8 January 2009). "Did Than Shwe's Grandson Kidnap Model?". The Irrawaddy.
  The article notes:
  Nay Shwe Thway Aung is currently studying at Yangon Institute of Technology in Rangoon and is known to be Than Shwe’s first and favorite grandson. He has often appeared in Burma’s state-run media alongside his dictator-grandfather at state ceremonies and on trips.
  ...
  However, Nay Shwe Thway Aung is no stranger to controversy. In October, reports circulated that he had used influence to get his girlfriend, model Nay Chi Lin Let, enrolled in Institute of Medicine 1 in Rangoon.

Comment: I don't know why you suddenly became active again after 2-months hiatus and made weird edits defending the junta's son when all your previous edits were decidedly against the junta (supporting Arakan Army). Did he give you a call, just in the way that he talked to another account on Facebook to create his article? Anyway, this discussion is not about listing sources. He had his fair share of "trivial listing" and gossping when his grandad was the junta head. For example, "Pho La Pyae went home with Than Shwe", "Than Shwe authorized Pho La Pyae to buy Man-U", etc. Note that the Irrawaddy News is NOT a realiable source in ALL cases. Back in the days, they often acted like the Daily Mail and did a ton of gossipping to generate sales and survive. I admit, however, that he may meet WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. However, those two aren't the only ones. The spirit of WP:INHERIT is that those associations aren't just enough: "For example, just because Albert Einstein was a founding member of a particular local union of the American Federation of Teachers [Local 552, Princeton Federation of Teachers] does not make that AFT local notable." He's clearly not notable as an independent subject. None of his petty crimes (whlie "cool") is notable for than a week. None of his lofy claims, like the one to buy the Man-U, while "cool", lasted more than a nanosecond of public attention. Apart from that, he hasn't done anything notable. 73.170.255.4 (talk) 15:22, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Sock with US VPN, Has he destroyed your family in the past? Are you making baseless allegations? I oppose your opinion that The Irrawaddy is not reliable! Did you go fool when you saw these sources? Are you joking Burmese Wikipedians? The Irrawaddy is the second biggest media after The Myanmar Times and one of the five only English publication media in Myanmar. The Irrawaddy has a great history. Do not dwell on one thing after another. Clearly WP:IDONTLIKE. 65.18.127.111 (talk) 15:40, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on hide contents Your translation skills are very poor. You use Google translation tool? these rude content that you point out are not included in my Burmese content, you can ask to native Burmese. Anyway I admit some words are uncivil and So I agree to hide them. 65.18.126.147 (talk) 03:15, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relax sis. I know who you are. 😂😂😂 You posted so much identifiable content on the internet. It's not good. I don't know you in real life but we have many mutual friends. I don't think this article meets WP rules but I'll stay quite and let admins decide. Goodbye. 73.170.255.4 (talk) 03:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete nothing notable per GNG. Thanks BurmaWiki866 (talk) 12:08, 20 December 2020 (UTC) — 136.228.175.143 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Comment The former ruling family destroyed many families in Myanmar. The nominator may be one of them. So please dont count votes from Burmese editors. The editors from other nations will determine his GNG or BASIC. 65.18.127.111 (talk) 16:23, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He first said above "That aside, in all fairness, the subject certainly does not meet WP:GNG.". Now he said "I misunderstood WP:GNG and the subject meet WP:GNG but not notable and The Irrawaddy is not reliable and like Daily Mail." 😂 Hay guy what is your problem? Would you be happy if you deleted this article? I will revoke my vote. 65.18.127.111 (talk) 16:29, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I boldly strike-off the vote by 136.228.175.X ip range, which, does someone object the duck test? There is no such user called Phothudaw, or BurmaWiki866 but two of the three ips vote pretended it like one.... Matthew hk (talk) 21:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 01:31, 25 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep meets WP:GNG per the extensive and indepth coverage found by User:Win Zaw Oo showing that he is one of the country 's biggest celebrities. It also probably satisfies WP:THREE and more.Zin Win Hlaing (talk) 15:03, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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