Talk:Julian Gardner (poker player)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Preference towards traveling only to tournaments he's qualified for online

Can anyone provide a source for this or even an explanation as to why this is of encyclopedic value? Even if it is true, WP:NOTEVERYTHING applies. A player's personal preference towards which events to attend, unless extremely noteworthy for some reason, goes beyond providing a summary of this person and into listing every fact about him. Please comment here to establish a consensus on this. If is no disagreement with removing this information within a few days, I'll remove it. ~ Rob^Talk 02:52, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I've notified some editors who may be interested in the outcome of this discussion. ~ Rob^Talk 03:14, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's a biography, and it offers insight into the player's state of mind. BMK (talk) 02:55, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Beyond My Ken: Biographies still cannot be indiscriminate collections of information. Could you provide an example of who that type of information would be useful to, so I can better understand where you're coming from? Also as a note, a citation is needed as per WP:UNSOURCED at a bare minimum. Even if consensus is reached that this is relevant information, it will likely still be removed if no reliable source is found. ~ Rob^Talk 03:09, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Disclaimer: I was notified by Rob about this discussion, but otherwise don't know him from Adam. It's unsourced and a borderline derogatory violation of WP:BLP IMO. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:17, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see it as either indiscriminate or derogatory. It sounds like a damn smart strategy to me. BMK (talk) 03:34, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And Rob, please read WP:CANVASS and don't do that again. BMK (talk) 03:34, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, take it to WP:BLPN and see what the mavens there say about it - but state the disagreement as neutrally as possible, please. BMK (talk) 03:38, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the note you tacked on to your first comment above: Please notify ALL editors who might be interested in the outcome, not just SOME editors. And please don't add to old comments after they've been responded to. BMK (talk) 03:41, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rob left a message on my page but it's not WP:CANVASS. Canvassing is leaving a certain type of message designed to sway the outcome, not just saying "hey you might be familiar with this article; your input is appreciated." My contribution to the AFD indicates nothing one way or the other about how I may feel about this content. Incidentally, I support removing this trivial information. It should be boldly removed and then if consensus can be gained as to why it should be returned, then it can be added back. —Мандичка^YO 😜 03:46, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:CANVASS. It is not only a neutral message that's required, the people who receive it must not be selected for their probable response. It seems that Rob selected wisely. BMK (talk) 04:02, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I notified literally every person who has been involved in the deletion discussion (i.e. every single editor on the site who has shown a recent interest in this article). I even noted this in the notes that I left on user talk pages, if I recall correctly. This is not WP:CANVASS. Please attempt to distinguish between canvassing and alerting potentially interested editors in the future before throwing around accusations. ~ Rob^Talk 04:37, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I boldly removed that unsourced info by the way. I agree with Clarityfiend above that it's borderline derogatory. —Мандичка^YO 😜 03:50, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not going to revert this so as to avoid exacerbating the issue, but just as a note, I disagree with boldly editing items of contention. Two people boldly editing items of contention is just another way of saying two people edit-warring. Since it's not a blatant violation of WP:BLP, I disagree that it needed immediate removal. ~ Rob^Talk 04:43, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bolding removing unsourced possibly contentious information in a BLP is not only OK, it's recommended. BMK, as I said, there is nothing to indicate he was canvassing. All I said in the AfD was "weak keep" because it seemed like he was pretty successful. —Мандичка^YO 😜 04:53, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Clarityfiend and Wikimandia: Could you explain your reasoning on why this could be a derogatory violation of WP:BLP? I'm not seeing that at all. ~ Rob^Talk 04:43, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

IMO, it implied he is either cheap or has financial problems and cannot afford to travel to qualification tournaments. Or that he's a diva and thinks he should have everything paid for him as a celebrity. Again, that is my impression. If it was sourced with him offering a reasonable explanation, I wouldn't have a problem with it. —Мандичка^YO 😜 04:53, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. I agree that we'd need a source to really clear up whether it's derogative or not. ~ Rob^Talk 04:57, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, good removal of borderline derogatory unverified content as per WP:BLP Govindaharihari (talk) 05:07, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if youre all still discussing this. Noticed it at BLPN. Simplest solution is just to keep it out. This is in no way vital to the article. Its unsourced. And some editors are concerned that it may be a slight at Gardner's character (of which there is no apparent reliable source). DaltonCastle (talk) 21:50, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has now been listed on WP:BLPN here due to concerns that not all points of view are being equally represented in this discussion. ~ Rob^Talk 04:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]