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However,....

Indon does not have faith anymore in Wikipedia. When he's actively online, it means he almost falls asleep and hits the monitor screen. Vandals and spammers are his caffeine drink, but not POV-users (oh, heaven forbids those creatures in Wikipedia). Okay, tafandria mandry tompoko!

Talk Archived

— Indon (reply) — 10:48, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maps

Hi Indon, I e-mailed you some maps as promised. :) --Merbabu 10:59, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I received them. Nice for illustrating the article. We have already base map for Indonesia, so it would not so difficult to do it. I'll start tomorrow. — Indon (reply) — 13:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proudlyhumble07

Hi Indon. I saw your warning to this user. have you also been following developments on Mohammad Hatta, Sukarno, Bung Tomo and Mohammad Toha? Regards Davidelit 11:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to butt in - we are aware of it. Very disruptive. There may be more to it, let's wait and see what developes. Better discussed off wiki. :) Merbabu 11:41, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a newbie who directly comes to such a controversial issue. Actually, collaborationists are not such POV but tagging Moh. Toha as mass murderers? Hah, I bet he doesn't dare to do the same thing for George Bush or Tony Blair. :-) I second with Merbabu. Wait, see, talk, warn and/or report. — Indon (reply) — 13:29, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Thank you for your guidance. I will read all the guideline pages to try to learn. It will take time. In case, you want me to see some important pages, please tell me. If you see that i have done something against editing rules, please tell me as you told right now.

I also want a picture on my talk page pf pigeon. It looks nice with white colour. Please fix on my message board. Thank you again for this.

Reply of message from Cool Cosmos dated 22nd April Sunday

Awesome - the white pigeon looks great. Thank you once more for your time. --Cool Cosmos 17:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jangan

Dont worry - I have been tagging all weekend think i will be capable of doing it in my sleep soon :( SatuSuro 09:33, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

tetapi -- ada persoalan dengan ini - Category:Banjarese architecture - there is text - it shouldnt be there! any ideas? SatuSuro 10:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Central Java

No problem :-) Perhaps you can check the English once the article is finished. I am now reading an article about the different cultures on Java. BTW do you know Matahari Pagi? Is (s)he an Indonesian or what? Meursault2004 07:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well the choice is her, isn't it :-) As a matter of facts, we now have some new active users in id:. Probably it is because of all the publications we get in the last few months. It seems that a majority of them are young users. Meursault2004 08:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK I will promote Wikiproject Indonesia here on en: whenever I get the chance to speak for or about Wikipedia :-) However, unfortunately or fortunately, it depends on your point of view ... I am not in Indonesia anymore. I am in Holland again. BTW writing in good, standard Indonesian is no less difficult than writing in good English. Meursault2004 09:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PR for Indonesia

Hello. I've just put some citations and it's all done. Do you think it's a good time for another pee review? I still can't find a picture of MPR building, a decent one. They haven't replied my email! Dasar Indo. Thanks - Imoeng 10:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pee review? Hehehe. Just kidding. I think the best way is to go for WP:FAC, instead of PR. — Indon (reply) — 10:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That's what I said to Merbabu, but he asked us to postpone it until May 11 because he is pretty busy right now. Or should we just give it a shot? The last FAC was a year ago, so maybe we can try it again now. What do you think? Imoeng 23:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Newbie message

thank you indon!!! i only sed shame on u and waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamSamson (talk • contribs)

Flag

Hi Indon. Do you know what is wrong with the flag on Indonesia? weird. lol Merbabu 14:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see something is wrong. — Indon (reply) — 09:46, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Hi from WikiProject Indonesia

Hi Indon! How are you?

WikiProject Indonesia invites you to join the project, and we are sure that you can help us greatly there. WikiProject Indonesia is a project dedicated to improve all articles related to Indonesia and currently we have got 37 members.

Here are some things you can help us with:

  • Assessment: It's where you can tag Indonesia-related articles out there with our project banner and help us gather all articles.
  • Cartography: Or maybe you can draw maps? It is a very important sector of our project, since Indonesia is a big country with thousands of islands, maps could be very useful.
  • Collaboration: Every fortnight, we choose a short article that needs to be looked at and we improve that particular article together. The main goal is, of course, to reach featured article status.
  • Or you can just help us expand articles related to Indonesia.
Have fun and see you there!. -- Imoeng 13:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe, look whos spamming?? I've put this into 70s Indo users, hopefully they'll turn up, hopefully.


Umm

I was just trying to get the mess a bit tidied up and you move it! drat! The premise of the previous edits was that chinese language was lost to social stigma. complete rubbish - it was the public banning of script and chinese names following the overthrow of sukarno for the duration of the new order - once again lack of historical knowledge - I can see why I revert to category tagging at times! SatuSuro 12:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC). Better restrain myself - I have first hand experience of adult persons of that racial group who were still using the language privately in the mid 1980's - the whole section is incorrect - as I have said on imoengs page - etc - I would have trashed the whole section myself - it goes back a lot longer with a more complex history than was given - so whatever you do - I dont mind - it needs quite a re-write to even get anywhere near the reality SatuSuro 12:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Newsletter

Hey sorry about the late reply, I didn't see it. Well yeah, I'll start tomorrow cause it's 00:30 in Melbourne. We'll probably do it manually. There's another thing I need to talk about. Have you noticed that our member list are scattered? There's one in the project page, which is clearly not complete, and another one in a category page, which is very hard to be accessed and used. Let's think of a better way to organise this. If we can organise this properly, then it'll be easier to inform the guys. Cheers - Imoeng 14:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

One link? How come? Imoeng 22:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP Indonesia

Hi Indon - I've finally added this project to the script. Give it a try. –Outriggr § 07:18, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Wow

Very impressed with city and regency table - thats more than barnstar work - thats another featured list again surely  :) SatuSuro 11:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot find anything - you will have to give more clues ;) SatuSuro 12:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Deep dark past archive talk with fred and Gnangarra show more riddles than one could unfathom - I just wasnt sure which one - hey good luck! (if you need it) SatuSuro 12:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Toraja

Hi Indon

I'll do some copyediting on this article. Please check that my changes don't change the factual accuracy. But, it looks pretty good anyway, so hopefully their won't be much. --Merbabu 13:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

adjectives...
I notice sometimes you use Toraja and othertimes Torajan. FOr example, Toraja consciousness of themselves compared to Torajan social classes. These are both adjectives and we should decide on just one usage. I am happy with Torja - i think we once discussed that an academic confirmed this for us. (by the way, when talking about people ie, a Torajan as in Orang Toraja, is OK and is not an adjective). --Merbabu 14:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Missionaries
The article says that the largest religious group is Protestant Christians. What denomination were the Dutch missionaries? I presume protestant. Were they Calvanist? Also, there is a sizeable Catholic minority. How did that come about? --Merbabu 14:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What a hard task person he is!- there is just on the outside chance that Mearsault might have a clue about that - my java centric materials never reach as far as the island of sulawesi - Sorry about that :( SatuSuro 14:22, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

he he - task master indeed! Actually, you did mention the protestant background. Sorry. OK, I'm done for tonight. About halfway there. I'm so tired, I'll probably start making mistakes if I keep going (if i haven't made mistakes already). It's a great article. Great work (as usual). Merbabu 14:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Merbabu & SatuSuro, I had to go. I always trust Merbabu's golden fingers. :-) — Indon (reply) — 16:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I have fixed adjectives. I hope it's okay now. If they are still wrong, then you can blame me. About missionaries, they are written as it is from the literature. It's only described as Protestianism. I don't know much about Calvinist, but the Catholic figure is the actual condition now. Statistics were taken from the official Tana Toraja govt site. — Indon (reply) — 17:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Mount Tambora

Hi, you're right about it, thanks for the edit on Mount Tambora. I've placed the link on the Indonesian Wikipedia. Acaramoy 08:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Message from User:CoralieK

Hello Wilipedia, Idon, I entered the website [1] on the links section of 'menstruation', 'menstrual cycle' and 'menarche' because it has photos that explore the meaning and symbology of menstruation. Humans live through meaning, see Victor Frankl, ISBN 0-671-24422-1 Pbk. The aim here is to give women, and men, positive and fun images of this natural function. These images are not facts which is why a link is more appropriate than an entry in the body. The web site [2] has many artists on it so it did not seem out of place to me. I did not mean to cause offence. CoralieK 11:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alison Lohman

Just curious, why did you feel that the bit about Lohman's sexuality was vandalism? Dismas|(talk) 12:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Though I wouldn't take their edit as "vandalism" per se. They're a new user and added something that was unsourced. That doesn't necessarily equate to vandalism to me. Dismas|(talk) 12:57, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Bisexual = negative... Unfortunate that it does with so many.... oh well, cheers indeed! Dismas|(talk) 13:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Red ink on disambiguation pages

Please see my response at Talk:Tom Wood. --Bejnar 23:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of the week

Hey thank you for selecting my picture again :-) Meursault2004 09:54, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well I based my map on this one. The latter won the best map award at Wikimania in 2005. Meursault2004 10:02, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Toraja photos

What do you think of these:

(Caniago 15:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

Excellent man! I'm just preparing for the dance and music. Are they free? How can I know the license? — Indon (reply) — 15:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Its hard to tell, the dates range from early 1900 to about 1940, so maybe the copyright has expired on some. I found them all here: [8]. My searches were toraja negatief or toraja Repronegatief or toraja Portret. The website has a thumbnail and a description for each picture. The links I provided above I manually altered slightly to increase the resolution of the images and to remove the watermark which is there by default. (Caniago 03:40, 3 May 2007 (UTC))[reply]

National Life Finance Corporation is probably not spam

National Life Finance Corporation appears to be a notable government-controlled lender. I do not consider its article to be spam. There is a much longer article about it in the Japanese Wikipedia, and I hope that someone will be able to expand the English and French articles (and add references to both) using the Japanese one as a basis. --Eastmain 16:12, 2 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merapi

I suggested in the welcome that our photo friend might find the photos in a gallery at bottom of the article! thanks for cleanup - appreciate that SatuSuro 15:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pabrik Visual di Wikipedia Bahasa Indonesia

Coba lihat : [9] . Berminat? (Hariadhi@id) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.73.111.2 (talk) 20:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

vandal

I've reported him to vandalism board. shouldn't be long now. If he says you smell again, I'll ask him for a WP:RS. ;) Merbabu 09:41, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now worries, he's been blocked. I love to deal with vandal actually. They amuse me rather than annoying. :-) Look at my vandal counter page. Let's race how many userpage get vandalized. ;-P — Indon (reply) — 09:44, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and look at "Did you know" section on my userpage. :-)) — Indon (reply) — 09:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pmboogie (talk · contribs)'s message

You have removed a link to my website, a non commercial forum dedicated to the Ayamonte & Costa Esuri areas of Spain. Yet you leave another link that is clearly a commercial website offering rental accomodation in Spain.

Can you please explain and review your decision? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmboogie (talk • contribs) 12:08, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not too sure over your reasoning, and you have directed me to instructions relating to what external links are acceptable "Such pages could contain further research that is accurate and on-topic; information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks); or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to their reliability (such as reviews and interviews)."

My forum is totally dedicated to the Costa Esuri area, I understand you may feel this is "Links mainly intended to promote a website.", I can assure you this is not true and is without any commercial interest what-so-ever.

The site provides information about the area, but contains especially "meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews."

Once again can I ask you to review your descision and consider including the link?

Andy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmboogie (talk • contribs) 12:28, 5 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

hi indon

when you edit, does your editing stay there for everyone to see —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Benace13 (talk • contribs) 12:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Windows Home Server Blogs

I think your edit to remove all blog links from the WHS article is too extreme. Specifically the link to the Windows Home Server Team Blog (which is clearly "a recognized authority") and the link to the On10.net video ("Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews. "). cek 15:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maaf

Saya kurang,... apa apa, dengan WP Indonesia - kalau bisa - mungkin nanti. Thanks for comments about gabbagabbgabba page - semua hidup dan wikip experience seperti malam tengah di wayang kulit (goro goro) - mudah mudahan pulang ke WP Indonesia artikel dan kat - sesudah... belum tahu... tetapi tak lama! SatuSuro 10:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm saya tahu - terlalu banyak sms msgs di indonesia sekarang - semua campur bhs sms dngn bhs jawa dngn bhsind (dialect mahasiswa atau teneager slang) - sesudah itu - semua kata kata all reduced to three letters or less - tanpa vowels - almost impossible to translate if you are not up with slang or slang abbreviations! am i right? - but 10 years ago Dagadu shop on Malioboro Mall in Yk was doing it on t shirts and other sellable items - then SatuSuro 10:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Kalau belum tahu - disini - http://www.dagadu.co.id/index.php - for me it is - apart from a few places one of the centres of the universe heheh SatuSuro 10:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think we could do an article - it might need a few external refs to keep it alive - givve me 10 (minutes) SatuSuro 11:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.dagadu.co.id/sejarah.php - history SatuSuro 11:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
INdonesian wikipedia version of it http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagadu SatuSuro 11:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Third party (academic! gesundheit!) Sumbo Tinarbuko,“Semiotika disain Dagadu Djokdja sebagai kajian disain komunikasi visual.” Seni 8.4 (2001):387-402.SatuSuro 11:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
WHAT? someone interfere with tehbotol? NEVER! My friend in Muntilan used to always say -'take it easy, silahkan duduk and hand me a tehbotol'SatuSuro 11:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that - I think I've rectified the link, got it in the wrong place unintentionally, new on here! Keep the tips coming...now where are those waves...|||| —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joanna Ellis (talk • contribs) 23:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I can't reply anithing constructive. Evidently rules of Wikipedia in different languages isn't same. --Esperanta bonfaranto 08:14, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my user page. Waggers 13:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just a little something for all your contributions!

Dalmation has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

--Dalmation 07:31, 12 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Allison Sudradjat

Hi, thanks for the welcome. Care to comment on the deletion of an article I started on Allison Sudradjat? See: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allison Sudradjat. Terima Kasih. --Jack Merridew 08:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crinc

Hello, I am the creator of the page for crinc; I believe that you have unjustly and unfairly deleted my masterwork on Crinc. OK, doushbag, I want you to immediately put the page back up again or else I will make a wiki users rebellion unlike any of which you have seen before. VIVE LE REVELUTION!!!!!!!!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Crink69 (talk • contribs) 21:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Yeah, MERDEKA !!! — Indon (reply) — 21:16, 12 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am providing sources for my theories indon you are intolerant of brave ideas!

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