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I propose flagging this article for cleanup, or at least use of opinion. The "arguments for uniform" and "arguments against uniform" should be clearly stated, listed pros and cons, not a random 3 paragraphs at the bottom with obscure and somewhat illogical "facts". Wikipedia is supposed to read like a university textbook. (Not a highschool or elementary text, because those are sometimes written too personally.) At the very least, it should be coherent.

Had a go at tidying up the NZ section. Any other suggestions/alterations welcome. --noizyboy 23:19, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the section, common arguements against school uniforms, the points have been divided into "Violation of rights" and "Effectiveness", I think two of the points under effectiveness ("# Many uniforms are not gender-neutral, which may lead to exploitation or discrimination

"One-size-fits-all" style does not suit all students' body shapes") more properly belong in Violation of rights. Ie the percieved right for all students to have clothes that fit comfortably are somewhat flattering, and the percieved right for sexes not to be forced into gender stereotypes and to have different rules apply to them etc.

But this is a matter of opinion, so feel free to discuss this with me if you disagree about what section these arguements belong in.

The other thing that I would like to see is some external links to Non-US sources, I'm from Australia which has school uniforms in government schools, I know of one site which has arguements against school uniforms stemming from Queensland schools being involved in a legal debate about whether they could enforce uniforms. -- rom

Compulsory?

I read somewhere that a school cannot remove you from class for not wearing the school uniform, apparently its against your rights. I was wondering, is this true? If someone could confirm this for me, or find me some sort of legal document that states it, I'd be grateful --JJMan 12:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Arguments for and against

The arguments for and against are POV, speculation and unreferenced. While some points on both sides are correct, there are many that are down to personal opinion. I would like to see this turned into a discussion rather than bullet-points for and against that contradict each other. violet/riga (t) 11:26, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When both POVs are given equal treatment, and additions allowed to be made, doesn't the POV become neautral in a for or against arguement? I don't think that a POV should be referenced in this circumstance.

But maybe a discussion would be better, but even in that your going to get conflicting opinions (they look good, they look bad) etc. -- rom

That section right now isn't "For" and "Against", it's "Argument" and "Refutation of argument". I'm going to be bold and remove it now, considering there's a (slightly) more NPOV section right below it. --Szabo 23:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's very little difference between "For" and "Against", and "Arguement" and "refutation" of arguement. There were arguements for and against, and then refutations of these arguements. The problem is that now there is no discussion at all as to the merits or otherwise of school uniforms, and the validity or otherwise of claims made about school uniforms. -- rom

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"School uniform are common..."

"No way!" Seriously. Capitan Obvio 00:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This has a POV!!!!

This article needs more on the cons of school uniforms.

We are Uniform of Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.--Planetary 03:23, 27 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Uniforms in other countries?

Australia also has school uniforms, as do a number of other countries - should they also be mentioned under a subheading of their own?

Germany / History

The article claims that school uniforms were "quite common" before the Second World War and fell out of use afterwards. To my knowledge there never was a significant presence of scool uniforms in Germany in the 20th century, and I guess not in earlier times either. Trying to verify that, I image-googled for strings like schulklasse 1920 etc., and could only find very scant evidence of school uniforms (this page has some examples, this image is more typical of the pictures you find). I think that school uniforms were an exception. --SKopp 23:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When Hitler came to power, he made uniforms universal and compulsory.67.150.50.104 02:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

USA - Incomplete Sentence

Although many private school uniforms are similar to the ones described below for public schools, a few still require more formal British-style school uniforms

(See words in Bold)

There appears to have been some deleting/moving done at some point which led to there being no description of public school uniforms "below" the quoted sentence. Mip | Talk 15:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Me Me Me Me

It says Malta requires kids to bring pets to school or they face the death penalty. This is ridiculous. It looks like blatant vandalism.--theRealdeal

There was some vandalism that wasn't completely reverted. That's now been fixed. Thank you for pointing out the problem. ^Blank ^Verse 13:24, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

relevence of your oppinion

i dont see how whether you like/support school uniforms or not is relevent to an encylopedia article. as far as i can tell there is no raging controversy or public debate about the use of school uniforms in the countries in which they exist. there certainly isnt in australia. maybe some petulent schoolkids dont like them but really, who cares? it really isnt worth noting. i dont like the dentist. i dont expect ppl's oppinion of the dentist to be in the [dentist] article. i want to know the 'facts'. apparently everything on wikipedia is a topic of hot controversy. aussietiger 12:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism?

In the Efficiency section:

The study also found that uniforms had a negative effect on student attitudes because the students feel like everyone else, whereas Mufti tends to improve students attitude towards school and allows them to express their personality.

What should "Mufti" be replaced with? Samurai 004 11:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Efficiency

This section sounds a bit like it may be in need of some citation, if people agree, maybe we could whack a label or something on...what do we think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dragonkillernz (talk • contribs) 11:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

mufti

Why does Mufti in the Efficiancy section link to a position of power within the Muslim tradition?! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.31.133.169 (talk) 04:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

i thik the schools dont need to use uniforms because we need are freedom to.

History of uniform

There is nothing about history of school uniform in this article. We need to add it here. --Andysoft 11:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV in Efficiency

I tagged the section Efficiency with a NPOV tag as it is totally biased against school uniforms. It sounds like whoever wrote this was totally biased against uniform, and a counter to this study should at least be put up, as it is not broad enough in its coverage. It makes it sound like Nazism, illogical, which it is obviously not, as most schools throughout the world adopt uniform policies. Chat to me and give ideas. SS 12:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]