User talk:WhisperToMe

Greetings! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you have questions or doubts of any sort, do not hesitate to post them on the Village Pump, somebody will respond ASAP. Other helpful pages include:

Have fun! --Jiang 23:13 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Welcome! You seem to know a lot about airports and Sega games. I hope we see you more often than onece a month.

If there's anything I can do to help, please drop me a note on my talk page. --Uncle Ed 16:49, 14 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Hi. I'm just curious as to why you decide to change all the Sonic the Hedgehog and Genesis pages to Sega Megadrive? Since the English Wikipidia is, as far as I can tell, American based, and since the Genesis is more widely recognized, I would think you should leave it. =/ - The T

The T, the British call their Genesis the Megadrive too. I'm switching stuff to Japanese names to avoid international confusion with the English Wikipedia. Not everyone who speaks English is from the United States. Don't worry, for I have the U. S. names bolded in close proximity to the Japanese names - WhisperToMe

I think that moving the pages to their Japanese names is a bad idea. I fail to see how this will "avoid confusion" this will only create confusion. "Super Nintendo" returns 373,000 hits, while "Super Famicom" returns 32,700. M123 16:44, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

WhisperToMe is chaning the names from their Americanised names to international names. This is the English wikipeida, not the American wikipedia, so I think he's doing the right thing. CGS 17:00, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Famicom/Megadrive/PC Engine names all Japan-only? If so, then it seems to me that the English Wikipedia should use the English name that the consoles were marketed under (NES/Genesis/Turbografx etc.) -- Wapcaplet 18:05, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Wapcaplet, the Megadrive was marketed under its original name in the United Kingdom and Europe. Add to the fact that several in Hong Kong, India, and other countries speak and read English. I'm going with the Japanese names to avoid confusion with people from those countries. Those in the US can identify the Megadrive as the Genesis because "Sega Genesis" is bolded just like "Sega Megadrive" is, and et al. -- WhisperToMe

Fair enough :-) -- Wapcaplet 18:14, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I really have to disagree with moving Mega Man to RockMan. What is gained by moving the article to this new location? It can easily be mentioned that Rock Man is the Japanese name for Mega Man; I think it will confuse people more for the article to be at this name. (And is it "Rock Man" or "RockMan"?) It also seems especially strange to say that Rock Man appeared in a cartoon series (Captain N.) in the U.S. when he was called "Mega Man" in that series and every one after it. -- Wapcaplet 19:41, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning that Wapcaplet. Although the article is in its new location. Instances of the Megaman character being in media produced in the USA (Captain N and the US cartoon series), he will be called Megaman in those instances. When I get around to making an article about the Megaman games for game gear and the computer original games, since those were US Productions, I will call him Mega Man in those articles also. -- WhisperToMe

Okay, that makes sense. I have no serious objection to the page being named Rockman, but the Wikipedia:Naming conventions page states "article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity", which to me indicates "Mega Man" (or "Megaman") is a better choice for the article title. -- Wapcaplet 23:59, 17 Aug 2003 (UTC)

STOP moving all videogame pages from where they've been to new pages. First of all, they're already established there. Second you move pages away from what Google likes (see Wikipedia:Google Test popular usage), see the discussion on at Wikipedia:Village_pump for some statistics. Third in general wikipedia settles disputes about American/British naming by leaving an entry as it is created. Fourth, for example simply add something like this "Sega Genesis or Sega Mega Drive (as it is known outside of North America) ..." to the Sega Genesis article would suffice. Also be aware that people in North America (US/Canada etc) are completely unaware of what a "Famicom" or a "Mega Drive" is. M123 05:07, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

1. I have the US names next to the Asian ones so it work work both ways anyways. 2. This is the ENGLISH wikipedia, not the AMERICAN wikipedia. Especially in the case of the Brits, whom speak English. 3. A lot of Americans know about alternate names. I've seen websites based in the USA which USE the Japanese names. 4. Google gets hits on the redirect pages as well.

However, I will not move Resident Evil as nobody knows its Japanese name in English speaking countries.

Also, M123, as you have failed to notice, Famicom and NES have separate articles due to being totally separate consoles with the same games. WhisperToMe

The issue is not if you also list the US name the issue is the THE ARTICLES WERE ALREADY THERE stop moving them. In English the more common names are the North American names as indicate by Google. What are you talking about "Google gets hits on redirect pages" it doesn't make any sense. Here are some statics from Google searching the web:

- Super Nintendo" returns 373,000 hits, while "Super Famicom" returns 32,700
- 196,000 for "Sega Genesis" and 47,200 for "Sega Megadrive"
- and 109,000 '"Mega Man" Nintendo' vs. 1,660 '"RockMan" Famicom'

- all the above statistics are for websites in English. M123 23:23, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Have you added the hits from "Megadrive" to the total for "Sega Megadrive"?

I have no qualms about moving articles to more commonly used names. Articles are moved all the time -- WhisperToMe

The articles were already at their more popular names. You moved them away from there. I didn't count just "Megadrive" because if I searched for "Genesis" and "Megadrive", Genesis would get false hits from the bible book. M123 23:57, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

M123: But there's only one Megadrive and, as you notice, at least two Genesises. So obviously people will disambiguate their use of Genesis but not their use of Megadrive. Seems to me, if it's called Megadrive in Europe and Australasia, and Genesis in just the US, we should put the article under Megadrive. I also got the impression that it was a far more popular platform in the former markets than the latter, but I don't know. What did Canada call it? And perhaps this discussion should be at Talk:Sega_Genesis? -Nommo

There is only 1 "Sega Genesis" and only 1 "Sega Megadrive", there never was any ambuguity . M123 00:19, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I was referring to Google. You said: "The articles were already at their more popular names. You moved them away from there. I didn't count just "Megadrive" because if I searched for "Genesis" and "Megadrive", Genesis would get false hits from the bible book." Sorry for any amiguity. ;) -Nommo

Also if you want ambiguity, the first link returned for "Megadrive" on Google is for http://www.megadrive.com/ which has nothing to do with the Sega Genesis/Megadrive. M123 00:37, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Well, the Sega Genesis was less popular in the US and Canada than the Megadrive was in Europe, Japan, and Australia. - WhisperToMe

Then why is it 3 to 1 more popular under the North American names on Google? Also do you have any figures to back up your "more popular" assertion, the Sega Genesis was a hugely popular video game system in the US. M123 00:26, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Just look at the statistics, M123. http://www.epinions.com/content_1936498820 The Megadrive as a whole OUTSOLD the SNES in Europe, but vice versa in North America. If you want a link, I'll give one to you. Also, Its hard to truly tell the truth about Megadrive vs. Genesis, because of the complexity of simply typing in "Genesis". Try to make this your science fair project if you have one, M123. WhisperToMe

I know it's hardly scientific, but on Google "Sega Genesis" polls 186,000, while "megadrive" tallies 240,000. As I said before, the former is far more likely to be qualified than the latter. Taking that anomaly into account, I'd say that web-wise they were pretty much even. -Nommo

A fairer comparison might be 'Sega+Genesis' 387,000 vs. 'Sega+Megadrive' 108,000. Note that Megadrive is the name of entirely different technology product in the US. M123 00:39, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

That's true, but the other nine are the console. By contrast, it looks like none of the first ten "Genesis" sites have anything to do with the console. I think for a rough estimate, counting "Megadrive" seems fair enough... -Nommo

That's fine because the article was originally at "Sega Genesis" before Whisper moved it, and "Sega Genesis" gets 196,000 hits while "Sega Megadrive" gets only 47,200 M123 00:46, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I think you'll find I was disagreeing with you. :) If we're going on Google, counting "Megadrive" results seems fine from where I'm looking. And that, like I say, puts the two about equal web-stats wise.-Nommo

I think that 196,000 is a larger number than 47,200, I can't see how you disagree with this. It is not statistically equal, one number is 4 times larger! The bottom line is Whisper never should have moved the page from "Sega Genesis" in the first place. M123 00:53, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I agree he shouldn't've moved it without a debate on the matter. And I think this debate is at the wrong place. That aside, a debate now exists, so lets have it. Here if needs be. Now. I repeat:

1) I see no major reason why the Google searches shouldn't be "Megadrive" and "Sega Genesis" owing to the other uses of the words Genesis and Megadrive. A person talking about their Megadrive is unlikely to qualify it. A Genesis user is MORE likely (though not univesally likely) to qualify it. 2) This gives us: Genesis: 186,000; Megadrive: 240,000. That's more to Megadrive. 3) Given that some people in an established context WILL say Genesis and not Sega Genesis, I add a few thousand to the Genesis camp, and estimate that in Googleville the two are pretty much equal. 4) How that effects the wiki placeholder is a different matter entirely. -Nommo

It should be moved back to where it was created in 2001 and where it has been unchallenged until Whisper single-handedly moved it. Also I'd like to mention that of the "Megadrive" search results I've perused, a good number of them are in French not English. If I click to search under English only (this is English-language wiki) I get 90,300 for "Megadrive" while I get 190,000 for "Sega Genesis". The bottom line is the page should be restored to where it's been, and "Sega Megadrive" made into a redirect. M123 01:08, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Whisper... This conversation has been continued at Talk:Sega_Megadrive. It'd be nice to have your opinions (/agreement?) before the article gets put back at Sega Genesis. -Nommo

Hi, Whisper. I just wanted to drop you a friendly suggestion. You seem to make a lot of edits in rapid succession to the pages you're focusing on. While this is technically fine, it does begin to clutter the page history of these entries, and takes up a lot of server space with archived versions of the article. I'm hoping you can choose to make several edits in one update, rather than keeping to your current system of many edits, each of them saved to Wikipedia and generating another archived version of the page. Hope I'm not stepping on your toes too hard: always glad to see someone's contributing! Thanks, Jwrosenzweig 23:42, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Thank you, Jwrosenzweig. Next time, I will try to have as little edits as needed. - WhisperToMe

You're welcome, Whisper. I appreciate your being so quick to respond: happy editing! Jwrosenzweig 23:50, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Please still copyedit.. a lot! But Jwrosenzweig means that you could make use of "Show preview" button. --Menchi 08:57, Aug 21, 2003 (UTC)

I just wanted to say that you are doing a great job with all the airport articles. :-) --mav 07:51, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment, mav. :) Whisper

Your article, Angel Maturino Resendiz is an orphan. It is suggested that you have at least one other article link to it. --Jiang 03:58, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I was in the process of finding an article to link to it, Jiang. The deed is done. I will try to find more ways to link the article. Whisper