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Re:RtP

I can't see anyting "missing", but I see plenty to clean up. But, you asked for missing, as I'm sure you're more than aware of what needs cleaning. I don't see anything major. I wouldn't say "expand this section" as I'm sure it's already in the back of your mind. I mean, there are plenty of tags on the article for that. Overall, I think it looks decent for just a days worth of work.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Took only a brief glance, consider combining "Development" with "Writing" and "Filming" with "Cinematography", for a more fulfilling read. Alientraveller 20:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd say "Filming" and "Cimematography", and the idea behind both is similar, but not "development". You could probably remove the "development" title.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

That's fine. I never really took the time out to view the film. I think I'll try to do that soon. If you can expand the "filming" and "cinemat" sections I think they'll be fine. If you put casting info in the "cast and characters" section, yeah I think it will be just fine. I don't think its too large to merge in the plot section, but again, if you put the casting info there then it's just as good.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 12:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I love The Descent. I've been watching so many horror films since my childhood that it's hard to get me into any suspense, and that claustrophobia he created was intense. Even without the monsters he had a very suspenseful film. I love Dog Soldiers too, matter of fact, I recently watched both and when I get the time (in the next decade, because of all the Smallville and F13 work) I want to go through the commentaries and see about expanding the articles. Stupid school, why must we learn and get full time jobs...why can't someone pay us to work on Wikipedia. lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I think one skill I have learned to "master" (so to speak), is determing reliable sources. I have a far more critical eye now, than I did before, when I was writing research papers. I try to write them now, and I sit there and go "i would never use this on Wikipedia, why would I use it here".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. I've found that all entertainment articles are pretty much looked down upon, and when one reaches FA status I like to think that's one more point on the board in our favor. Also, I think working on here helps one not only find reliable sources, but be able to pull relevant content from them a little better.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, Shawshank is more respected as a film than any Spider-Man, although I would love to have a Trilogy of FAs with all the Spidey films.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I hope you enjoy it. Heck, I hope I enjoy it for having to sit there for over 3 hours.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I am curious - do they also render sound effects (swords clashing, boats creaking) and just how do they caption love scenes? :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 18:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Why haven't you linked the production notes? Alientraveller 18:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

You already listed Empire's feature. All good then. I saw a bit of the movie on TV, very beautiful and cool: not cool like slick, but temperature and colour. I hope you get what I mean. Alientraveller 20:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Nothing specific. I think all improvements will come after you expand the release section, and most likely any other sections that are thin will be filled in by the commentary.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The Dark Knight

Please write me off-list asap. An opportunity has presented itself for some insider info. Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 00:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Ben Hur & Alientraveller

I agree that usually images on film pages shouldn't be popping everywhere. What I am describing here is the differences in versions of the released titles. They are very different and visual identification of each title is very useful; hence the images. Also, as I pointed out earlier the images are very small to offer less obtrusiveness. As for calling Alientraveller's edit vandalism and not in good faith; that was the logical conclusion when I asked for him stop the reverts and discuss; which he did not do. Thanks for your time. FrankWilliams 14:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I agree using vandal may have been harsh; but he still should have used the discussion pages. I'll change the wording in the article so it reflects the critical commentary point you're making. I really thing the image are good for the article which is always my interest. FrankWilliams 15:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Regarding The Happening not being and Hindu-American film.

I do not know how to make citations, but here http://in.rediff.com/movies/2007/mar/15night.htm is the link that confirms that the Indian production company UTV is co-producing with 20th Century Fox to make this film.

Up is down

Oh I'll agree with you at how macabre it was: the sailor who got extreme frostbite and Sparrow's mum choked me up. I ranked it better as DMC because it did have more a point being the climax, (*cough*no cannibals*cough*) but as much as I love extended universe COTBP tops it for me being just an enjoyable ghost story. Alientraveller 07:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Up, up and away web

Actually, right now, I think it's easily GA. It's definitely not FA material, but GA's are for well written articles that still need work. I don't think anyone would find fault the quality of the article. As for casting, yeah we should look into that. We could put it with the "Cast and characters" section, this way if it isn't that much information it's still got a home.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Since we are dealing with all the films, we may want to limit it to what they win, otherwise the list will be ginormous. We could always create another subheading under "Development", something like "contracts" (or anything that conveys the same meaning) that details the contract issue (e.g. Dunst, Maguire, Franco = 3, Raimi only had a 1 picture deal initially, etc).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:14, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I think for the "Film series" bit we can add some stuff on the production, given that is the ongoings of a film series, rather than a third-perspective reception. On another note, from the Making the Amazing DVD documentary for the second film, Laura Ziskin noted Raimi basically moved onto the second film right after the first was finished. Alientraveller 14:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Shawshank is something I've been meaning for one day. Schedule swamps though: Titanic is ten this year, so that'll be centre of my attention. I'll saw how you do your thang first, and I'll try to expand if necessary once I view the DVD. I certainly think it was subtitled, but don't take my word for it, I only viewed them a few years ago. Alientraveller 15:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd go for that. We can still include some book information if need be, and a small bit about the games, since they were technically adaptations of the films.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

ET

Well there's no way it'll reach June 11, but there is Halloween. Anyway, yeah, Tintin's ok, lead takes up too much though. Alientraveller 19:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

There's a lot I did, a few I couldn't do. Alientraveller 19:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help. Did you take a degree in English btw? Or am I just Aspergerish with my writing? Alientraveller 19:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I replied on the talk page. Take your pick of either Spielberg or Rambaldi and their creation. Alientraveller 16:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

If you've got some of them, thanks very much. I'll try to find a balance, but like science-fiction films themselves, I try to connect themes and subtleties within the practical problems of creating an alien. I did consider a themes section actually but decided against it due to lack of material. Alientraveller 07:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh right, I see, I just assumed they were avaliable online. Sorry. Alientraveller 10:42, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you amigo. Alientraveller 13:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

You are very welcome to expand the themes section if you wish. I abide by WP:OWN. Alientraveller 15:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Let's see how you do though, if you have time away from the Road to Perdition. If you want you can bullet point the articles for me. Alientraveller 15:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Jurassic Park franchise

The problem with Jurassic Park franchise is structuring it. Crichton wrote a script treatment in novel form that got snapped up by Spielberg, who in turn asked him to wrote another novel/treatment for the sequel. After that it was a film series that hit a wall making a fourth film. It can't be as conventional as Spider-Man film series. Alientraveller 19:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Well the article doesn't interest me being that my view is Crichton wrote script treatments, not books, and if it is just the films then count me out. ½ of a trilogy is not something I want to edit on. Alientraveller 20:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Not even a plot summary? LOL. Well I do love to work within guidelines as much as possible, so thank you for that compliment over my structuring. Alientraveller 20:12, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Aquaman and that other DC guy

Thanks for coming back to Aquaman, I was thinking everyone forgot about it..lol. Anyway, so I'm finally sitting down and watching (er..listening) the commentary for the Smallville pilot (and the second episode right after that) and I discovered something you'd appreciate. They actually subtitled their commentary, so it's much easier to follow and get things spelled correctly. I just thought that was nice, and that I'd share...you know...in case you suddenly develop a liking of Superman ..lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:49, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm hoping Raul closes it soon. Not that I'm worried about people opposing it, but it really isn't getting any new traffic. Right now I'm working with a bunch of editors on a Television taskforce. We're hoping to curb this problem of episode articles that can never meet criteria for existence. It seems to be going well. We are trying to keep it in a close community until we can all agree on what would be considered fair. Then when we have it all set, we're going to notify the rest of the wiki community to get a broader opinion. This way we don't have 1000 hands in the cookie jar at the same time. Let me know when you put FC up for FAC. I don't think you'll have too much to worry about.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

When do you intend to nominate Fight Club and The Fountain? Alientraveller 14:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I haven't seen them, but from experience it generally stemmed from a lot of "well the other guy did it, so I will too". Also, people would set up parent articles (like "List of Lost episodes) in a manner that they could say "well, we can't put it there, because it wouldn't look right". There was already a guideline that said "only split if you need to", and people took that to mean if one needs to be split then they all should be split. It takes quite a bit of work to get an episode article to actually be good, because most don't have that much information available. I've done quite a bit of work on the Smallville pilot. If the LOST episodes are in that bad of shape then I'm sure they'll be address. You can see our discussion about what should be done to handle these episodes.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for that information for Smallville. I'll have to wait till at least tomorrow to check it all out (stupid paper that I stupidly did not write ahead of time). Bignole 19:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Fountain

It's already four paragraphs though, how big do you want it to be? Aaron Bowen 00:03, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

30 days of invasion

I just watched the 30 Days of Night and The Invasion trailers, they both look pretty good.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 17:45, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard of The Invasion's Director. He's a German film maker, and I don't recognize the films listed on his page. I liked the 1978 version of the film, and parts of the 1993 version. We'll see, I guess. Lately, trailers have been letting me down. Usually there are a couple that get you in and the film's don't deliver, but there has been more of that lately (Spidey, Pirates). I can't view the "I am Legend" trailer. I keep getting some quicktime error, and I have no idea why. I have the latest version. I just have to wait till it's released somewhere else so I can view it there. Yeah, I want to see Ocean, might see it with my step-dad on Father's Day. I enjoyed 12, partially. I hated the fake lasers, I mean, come on. I've seen really low-budget films that did a better job, and that whole Julia Roberts look-a-like gag? Slap the audience in the face why don't they. But I did like how they actually got the egg, that was kind of cool, but the suspension of disbelief is stretch, because I'd never let that thing out of my sight..I don't care who's fighting. I'll have to check that "Hard Candy" film. Ellen Page playing a 14 year old girl, when she was 18? Hmmm, eh...Tom Welling was 24, pretending to be a 15/16 yr old Clark Kent in season 1 of Smallville...so I guess stranger things have happened.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

You guys haven't seen Downfall? Cracking recreation. Alientraveller 19:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I wanted to see Brick. My movie collection, though vast, generally only grows based on older films, and I only rarely go the theater (don't like crowds). According to Bay, he's kept all the big action sequences out of the trailers. I mean, notice how we have never seen Megatron don't anything other than being frozen?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Finally got the trailer for I am Legend to download, you're right...nothing really there. It isn't due for awhile, so I guess they probably don't want to show too much. Looks kinda good, from the lack of anything that was there. lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

But the issue here is that the information is relevant. Every bat movie has come out in June except this one.TheManWhoLaughs 19:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Titanic

OK, I've taken out a book, and wrote down page selections to make multiple citing easy, and I'm going to crack out a production section in my sandbox. The book focuses on how, not why Cameron did stuff, so if you do find citations for me, focus it on the writing, structure etc. Thanks. IMDb has a good news archive to flesh out the film's reception, so I may sandbox that too. Alientraveller 20:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Would IMDb be a reliable source for the beginning and end of the shoot? Alientraveller 12:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh ker-rap, any ideas on using italics for both the film and the ship yet disambiguating them? Alientraveller 13:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Erm, thanks, might be more useful for my Spielberg work. Nice touch, how many years does it go up to? Alientraveller 20:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Wonderful. I don't link urls right? Still, *Borat voice* very nice, I like. Alientraveller 20:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Understandable, that's always a problem when you are making a film that has to entertain and enlighten. I recall seeing United 93 and coming out wondering what was the point: I felt like I saw a horror film. World Trade Center has more lasting value. I only have a paragraph on digital effects and editing left for Titanic, and I think I'll sandbox everything from cast, historical accuracy, themes, releases, soundtrack and reception. I already found a review that critcised it as a cash-in, contrary to what Cameron wanted, so that's interesting. Where do you think Historical accuracy can go? Under reception? Alientraveller 14:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Wanted

Yeah, it seems ok. So far the production section isn't too huge, so I don't think sub-sections are necessary, though it's up to you. Alientraveller 13:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, is there real significance to free running? It is a deviation from the book or anything? Alientraveller 13:59, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

OK. Did you see Nightwatch? It was fun. Alientraveller 14:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of deaths in The Sopranos series

I'd appreciate it if you gave your opinion for the deletion of List of deaths in The Sopranos series at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of deaths in The Sopranos series. Thanks. :) The Filmaker 16:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Movies

Yeah, good so far, I added a bit. The current guidelines are good though, don't forget completely that they're worthwhile. Alientraveller 19:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Topic pulled out of my hat: do you want to see Rise of the Silver Surfer? For me, it's Surfy, Galactus and Doom, so I think I would. Alientraveller 19:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Elektra...no. Ghost Rider, it was better than his attempt with Daredevil, that's for sure. I've heard the rumor of the cloud isn't in fact a rumor, and there is that bit in the trailer that appears to be a huge cloud moving down to Earth. Then again, it could just be a cloud-ship, which transports Galactus.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:59, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Empire says Galactus is all Mufasaish but squint your eyes and you will see a bit of his pharoah-like splendour. Yeah, Fantastic Four I didn't care for. Too much setting up of superpowers and not enough Doom. It's simply really: great villain = great story. Not here. So I hope this sequel fulfils that with Doom and the Cosmic lot. Alientraveller 20:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't have high expectations for it either. It probably won't suck, b/c I didn't think the first one sucked, not like some other comic book films, but it won't be that great either. At least, I don't believe it will.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 20:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

All that is from Find Articles right? Alientraveller 13:32, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Should we merge Wolverine? I mean, it hasn't got a director and Magneto is merged. Alientraveller 14:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Cleaned-up and merged. Alientraveller 15:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Holy rusted death lists, Batman!

LOL, not to my knowledge. If you look at that guys contribs, and follow them to the WikiProject for the EastEnders, he made a comment about "Bloody ridiculous, they are saying it's a copyright violation now". But seriously, go there, and also check out the author of that death/birth/marriage list. It's an administrator. Check out the AfD discussion at that WikiProject and look at what the Admin is saying. His name is like Anemi-something, I can't remember. But yeah, if you find a user box about that let me know. lol.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:18, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Should I be worried?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but the bike worries me that we are departing from the dark, and entering the campy. I mean, the bike looks cool, just out of place for the direction Nolan left us.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Not really. Most news organizations try to stick by the "only print what you can prove" motto, and it says to me that WB has yet to actually take responsibility for the marketing, contrary to what G4 apparently was reporting.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry, I didn't see that. But I did explain my reasoning on the discussion page. --Jimbo Herndan 00:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Giant f***ing robots are coming!

I can almost imagine Soundwave being one: so he'd realistically have minions. But there is Tidal Wave. But I love Grimlock, Grimlock is something we need: an Autobot who isn't a goody-two-shoes. Man, why do I have to see Transformers on July 27? They're invading our world not Australia, then the USA, New Zealand, Canada and then the UK... When are you seeing it? Alientraveller 16:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Consensus

See Consensus - people agreeing are a consensus; not everyone has to bring something new to what it agreed, but everyone participating in the discussion ought to be allowed to have a view, even if it is simply to agree with someone else Stephenb (Talk) 12:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Themes

Thanks for the invite Erik, but I'm going off-line right now. I'll check in later and see what's up. —Viriditas | Talk 14:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

My point is that he is trying to make it so if a film scholar does not speak about a film's themes and style, then it shouldn't be FA status. But, in my opinion, it isn't about whether or not they should be speaking about it in those terms, but if they have or haven't. If they have, great. If they haven't, then it shouldn't be a deciding factor in an FAC. There are far too many films for scholars to talk about every one, and some were never intended to be looked at in that manner. Fight Club was meant to convey several messages, and had underlying tones. A slasher film isn't, it's about splattering guts and blood everywhere. Sure, someone could find a theme or symbolism in some of the character's actions, I think Arcayne did a good job of pointing one out in Part VII, but that doesn't mean that they actually have. I just don't like the idea that we would say a film can never reach FA status if film scholars don't write about it. I've never looked at FA status as meaning the subject of the article is something that could be put in the Library of Congress, which is what I'm taking he thinks these articles should be. Bignole 16:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Funny, Adewit gave up. Still, his/her E.T. objection will provide practise for Titanic. Alientraveller 16:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

They seem to be getting rather personal with it. I don't know how many times they were basically talking down to me. They kept assuming things about my opinion as we discussed, but the second I do it they blow up at me. Bignole 16:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Regarding what you were saying about the Cineaste review, I think you have a point. Some reviewers are utter boors, who write to see how much they can cobble together and make themselves feel oh-so-witty, and who shouldn;t be allowed anywhere near a tv screen. If no one else is suggesting what they are, it is more reliable to go with the majority who say otherwise. Recently, in another article, I encountered an editor who felt very, very strongly that one reviewer's reputation should allow them to dismiss the larger portion of other, perhaps less-touted reviewers who saw a film in another way than the single reviewer. We always run the risk of injecting ourselves into our articles if we decide ahead of time which source voice is going to receive more play than others (outside of the application of RS and V). We may not see the incest facet of American Beauty, but I don't think it's our call to dismiss it unless it fails the Wiki standards litmus. If the review is credible and from a reliable source, and is not contraverted by an overwhelming number of others, it should go in. The reader is left with the final responsibility to decide if it has merit or not. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 17:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

What's the supposed hole in ET? Let me know what you find in Dark City and Shawshank, as I am interested in both of those films. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 17:32, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I wasn't in total disagreement with him either. I have no doubt that most films will need to cover that information, butt here are so many others, though in the minority, that won't have that information coverage. I just don't think it should be held against the article being FA if everything else is "perfect". Like I said, it shouldn't be a film's fault that it just wasn't made to be thematically proactive, or that it's part of a genre or series that people don't really care enough about to write anything other than "same ol' tireless crap, just like the other". I have no doubt most of those FA films currently need those sections, like you've pointed out when you went through them. Bignole 19:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Pan's Labyrinth

I see that you have contributed to this article, do you know where the source for this quote might be found?

Guillermo Navarro, the director of photography, said that "after doing work in Hollywood on other movies and with other directors, working in our original language in different scenery brings me back to the original reasons I wanted to make movies, which is basically to tell stories with complete freedom and to let the visuals really contribute to the telling of the story."

Thanks. Atropos 17:45, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Atropos 19:11, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

That would be really great. I'm going to start writing a production section soon, which is the only thing its really missing. Atropos 20:23, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Repoed my dance moves

Um...there doesn't seem to be enough information there to hold a page. There's less there than Spider-Man 4. It seems more like they are all signing contracts but thing has actually been started. Bignole 03:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm at my parents house (been here since Friday). Not only am I barely on the computer while I'm here, there's is extremely slow. I actually hate being on a computer when I try to use there's. Mine's all "zip zip zip", and there's is all "poke.......poke......poke". Anyway, If anyone's reading this beyond Erik, and is going to send me a message I'll be in the air (having my brain crushed by gravity) and will not be home till 3pm EST. Bignole 09:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Historical Inaccuracies

Thanks for the assist. :) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 19:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

about 10 pounds of Crazy in a 5-pound bag. Going on vacationnext month, and just working while firming up my plans. Getting ready to move into my new place (closer to work), making the world safe for stupid people to continue rebuilding in areas prone to disasters. How about you?

Also, what to do if BigDaddy does nothing? Is there some sort fo timetable involved? - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 19:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

BoF

I'm touched, they care. :) Since you're registered you can pass on the note that their thoughts keep me up at night, I have horrible nightmares over the opinions of BoF members..lol. Anyway, yeah...that user will break the 3RR first...and if he does I won't worry about changing it back. Someone else will. You see he removed the citation, since it didn't agree with what he was putting in? Bignole 01:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Finally got to the bottom of the thread, thanks for the support. By far, my favorite is "DOWN WITH BIGNOLE!". LMAO. It's like I'm a government and they are going to overthrow me. Bignole 01:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Watchmen Questions

Hey, it looks like you reverted one of my recent edits to the Watchmen(film) page. Now, I'm not trying to argue with what you did, because you're obviously a very experienced contributor to this site, while I'm still relatively new. However, since it looks like your basis for removal were the sources I cited I was just curious what exactly qualifies as a good source for this sort of information in a wiki article? I realize that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and so we shouldn't just toss out every rumor that comes our way, yet on a film such as this, that's still a year or more away from release, pretty much any casting information (other than Gerard Butler since that came straight from the director) is speculation to some extent. Do we have to wait for the actor or director to confirm it themselves or are there any online sources that are considered trustworthy enough to cite on Wikipedia? Also, what in particular did you object to about the comment on Cusack? I wasn't trying to make it sound like he had been offered a part, just that he had expressed his interest in joining the film. The man says this himself in the on the page I linked to. I thought this would be acceptable since no one has removed the item on Cruise, which more or less said that he at one point was interested in being in the film. Also if you are an avid Watchmen fan I expect that you are aware with Jude Law's enthusiasm for the material, and the fact that he even has a tattoo of Rorschach. He has also expressed an interest in portraying Ozymandias, and at this point seems much more likely to than Cruise, considering the CHUD link. Is there any specific reason why, if I could find a credible enough source, the information about Law couldn't be added alongside the Cruise statement? Thanks for the help. I just want to make sure, since I am still relatively new, that I don't make the same sort of mistakes editing pages in the future.

Also is this the best place for me to ask questions like these?

Aurum ore 01:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, that pretty much answered everything I needed.

Aurum ore 20:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Potential name issue

I thought you might want to know and bring it up with this editor if there are any potential problems: User:Erik the Appreciator. Alientraveller 13:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Yo, Joe!

Eh, just wondering about the handle.

Good luck with G.I. Joe. Mind, a film adaptation with Action Man sounds weird. I mean, why take out the likes of Snake Eyes and Cobra Command and then stuff in another fictional universe for no other reason than economy? Thank Hasbro DeSanto and Murphy were there to keep DiBonaventura in check on Transformers. But I shouldn't really say anything, because I know so little of the Joes: couldn't even get into their crossovers with the Transformers. I'd like an Action Man movie myself, plus Captain Scarlet. Thunderbirds would be cool... oh wait. Alientraveller 13:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I dawdled. Variety is ok for me. Alientraveller 13:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Road to Perdition

It's looking pretty good, I'd say you can at least nominate for GA at this point. The Filmaker 03:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Not sure why DharmaFlix links are labelled spam

Hi Erik. You deleted links to film content pages on our new wiki which emphasizes the Buddhist content in various films. Not sure why. Clearly you consider it some kind of spam. I have read the various requirements for external links and don't see how we have violated them. Our site is not for profit and is a community service for the worldwide Buddhist community. The links in question went to content directly related to the films. You might consider the kind comments from Buddhist practitioners and teachers listed at: DharmaflixWiki:Community_Portal. We are very inspired by the success of Wikipedia and appreciate the fine film reviews that you and others have produced here. However, our interest is to highlight Buddhist themes or Buddhist flavors in film for the purpose of teaching people about Buddhist dharma, that is, Buddhist philosophy and Buddhist states of consciousness. I am not sure what your criteria is for deciding to leave IMDB or Rotten Tomatoes on The Matrix page (when they are sort of boring), and take us off the page, when we had over 100 hits from the Matrix page in 3 days from people who care about how Buddhist philosophy deeply informs The Matrix, for example. I can see that on some films that we believe are flavored with Buddhist content, it may seem too much a stretch to include a link to the page on our site on that film, but Spiritual Films, The Matrix films, Kundun, Crouching Tiger..., and on and on clearly have Buddhist content. Again, our site is purely for educational purposes and I believe you do a very large community of Buddhist practitioners a disservice by indiscriminately removing links. Thanks for your careful consideration of this. Bruce

Zentek

Thanks for responding to my question about the exclusion of DharmaFlix review links from the film review pages on Wikipedia. First let me say I understand completely that Wikipedia is not a link farm and support you completely in your efforts to make sure the content of the encyclopedia is not diluted. However I would hope for your reconsideration of the exclusion of DharmaFlix for the following reasons.

1. We have film reviews. You say that All Movie Database or Metacritic are included because they have "aggregated film reviews". Well DharmaFlix aggregates film reviews as well. Granted the film reviews are aggregated on the basis of a discussion of Buddhist content in the films, but this is precisely the supplemental content, the informational "value add", what makes a contribution to knowledge about the film.
2. Out of the universe of films, the proportion of films covered by DharmaFlix will be very small, so there is no question of some kind of solicitation across a large number of multiple articles. The very limitation on this number also points, in information theoretic terms, to the level of information content being added by the links. Also if you will notice, many of the films, Kundun, for example, still have not yet been fully developed as articles, and so could benefit from being linked to a site that specializes in Buddhist films. We are also considering encouraging our users to participate in helping to write the reviews in Wikipedia on Buddhist films that languish, like "Kundun".
3. You suggest that our few links should not be allowed "since there is an interest in making it more prominent through Wikipedia." I respectfully submit that there is no way for you to know our intentions, except perhaps to ask us. Rather you project our intentions, which if I may make a Buddhist psychological point, shows more about yourself than about us. Forgive me if that seems disputatious. If you want to know what we care about, it is simple, we care about how certain films that have created a sort of mythological subtext of our lives (ex. Star Wars, Matrix, many Star Trek episodes) when reflected upon, reveal that that subtext is Buddhist. What does that mean? Well, contrary to popular belief, Buddhism is not a religion, and cannot really be defined. "Buddha" means "enlightened one". It's a funky term "Buddha" so if it's not scientific, it must be religious, or so the common thinking seems to go. The purpose of DharmaFlix is precisely to create a loosening of the concepts and preconceptions that make an experience of enlightenment unlikely. It is hoped that the experience of the intersection of these films will open the mind, raise consciousness, if you will. This is important information relevant to the specific films we are concerned with and so we feel it would materially contribute to include pointers to this information on Wikipedia.
4. You suggest our film review pages "violate the rich media standard of an external link, with several types of embedded rich media that pop up.". Generally speaking, we link to Youtube or Google video for trailers, etc, and use frames. Occasionally content in a frame may seem to "pop up", but this is highly unusual, and not on any of the pages linked to from Wikipedia. So I don't see how we have any embedded rich media. Obviously this objection must be considered on a case by case basis to see if our film review page does include rich media. I don't think the objection justifies wholesale elimination of links to relevant pages on our site.

This has already taken a lot of energy. Perhaps we could reach a compromise and you or your staff could just consider links to our review pages, as users post them, on a case by case basis, instead of making a wholesale judgement that the links represent linkspam. Thanks so much for considering all this. I know it takes a lot of energy on your part as well.

Zentek

AFD

I agree with you that a statement of my rationale should be sufficient, but I've had AFDs that ended no consensus with the closing admin pointing to a single statement from a keeper and saying it wasn't refuted. Kind of a damned if you do, or don't proposition. Say too much and it stalemates. Say too little and it still stalemates. Otto4711 12:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc

The article's not a bad one by any means, and a majority has to do with adaptations and portrayals in art, film, etc, which is too lengthy to belong in the parent article. It's that bloated "Joan of Arc in popular culture" section, like you said. This is a difficult one, but I do agree with you that with the current backlash against ...in popular culture articles, something needs to be done. It'll just encourage the trivia-lovers. Did you see this comment on the talk page? If an admin believes the article has gotten out of hand, then there's a good reason to be concerned. Perhaps you should contact User:Mangojuice and see if they ever listed it at Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates. María (críticame) 14:23, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Isn't that why they started Wikiquote? Here, children, here's a sandbox for you to play in, typos and all... ;) María (críticame) 15:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Midnight oil

I believe it went alright. I got a 97 on the first one I had to write for this class, so I assume I'll probably (unless I completely screwed it up) get about the same grade on this one. I didn't even start writing the bulk of it till after Mythbusters was over last night. Thankfully, though unfortunate to a point because I liked the class, I had my last class meeting this morning. Now, I just have to take 6 online quizes for the class and I'll be finished. Aren't you just lucky you have nothing to do.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah yeah, I'm sure you're just basking in the rays of halogen bulbs, ticking away at the computer with not a care in the world. ;) lol. That's cool you like the internship. I have start some volunteer service for one of my classes soon, so I'll be devoting some time to Hospice throughout the next month.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:25, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I bet you have secret compartments that hide all your non-work material. lol. I work for the state (currently at now) and I can't access a lot of sites. It's easier for me to find a physical book and use that.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Midnight Oil? liek, omg, i just luv that group!!!!kkkkkk, they are liek totally teh bommb!
(heh) - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 15:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Honestly did not know there was a band called that. Good to know.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me)

You could just scour sites like Superherohype, IGN and Rotten Tomatoes like I do. Alientraveller 16:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

hey

The website is verifiable he is in the movie quit changing it.TheManWhoLaughs 17:56, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

The scarecrow one maybe but Jackson is confirmed now.TheManWhoLaughs 17:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Attribution problems

It's not verifiable right now, but I always thought Scarecrow would be a nice beginning to show how Batman's skills have improved to taking done a previous villain in seconds. I don't mind Sam Jackson either as Nick Fury. Alas, the life we chose... Alientraveller 19:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

That would be awesome if Nolan did that.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

I had the page semi-protected (which the resulting Admin put in place for 7 days). Maybe by that time we'll have something concrete to put up one way or the other.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:03, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

IP @ Watchmen

I left him a talk page welcome, asking him to Register, and apologizing for any biteyness. I think both his points were valid for discussion, and we could use a guy like that.ThuranX 23:23, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Arcayne & ThuranX

Hi Erik. Regarding my troubles with Arcayne, they've been building for a long time. His comments, like that GIPU one, are exactly the sort of problem that i've been seeing in his editing style. He comes in, makes a flip remark, then follows with something like the 5 Pillars link. What he's doing is entering cocky, offering 'The Only Solution', and expecting praise. I spoke to him when he first arrived about his style, and he slowed it for a while, then resumed. The antagonistic aspects of such interactions seems to attract him, as evidenced by his recent interactions with Duhman009. I could go back to the beginning and find more, but ultimately, he's got a poor means of interaction with others. In the same time that I'm making clear my distaste for his poor behavior, I'm also working well with Tenebrae on Captain America, and with other editors elsewhere and regularly. I left a long note for the IP at watchmen, as mentioned above, and so on. I'm not having a general wiki-problem for which a wikibreak would be a remedy, but am just tired of watching him do this thing over and over. ThuranX 03:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, he's had the last word at my talk page, so let's hope that this puts the end to things. ThuranX 03:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Sigh. I think you had that, but that's okay, i's your talk page. Hopefully at some point, you will realize that I was in your corner, when you had few enough folk there. Biting the hand that defends you seemed incomprehensible to me. I think i explained that on your Talk page as well. I guess that's that. - Arcayne (^{cast a spell}) 03:56, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

who

dont my friend who dont?TheManWhoLaughs 20:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)