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Carlos Tevez

My mistake, I assumed Man Utd were only playing either Dunfirmline or Glentoran, not both. sepmix 23.39, 7 August 2007

What's your problem, men?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Simion Eugen-Andrei, Bucharest, Romania (talk • contribs) 09:26, 9 August 2007.

Man Utd Transfers In/Out

Man, why did you delete this section I spent time creating? It's worth it for new members and people who need to know transfer details!

MUFC seasons

I'm afraid the timing means I shall have to abstain. While I can normally keep my bias under reasonable control I can't possibly maintain NPOV on derby weekend. Speaking of which, at some point in future we should collaborate to improve Manchester derby. Oldelpaso

Sorry about my late reply, I was at Lowlands and forgot to put "On holiday" on my user page. As for any concerns, I'm happy with the points I raised. I had a brainwave about what to do for the seasons that don't have a page, and I'll post it on the FAC too. Would it be a better idea to link to that period in the club's history? On top of that, it could then be counter-argued that many of United's seasons simply weren't significant enough to warrant their own pages, and therefore you'd "only" have 10-20 pages to create, as opposed to 130. BeL1EveR 16:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Could you put the English names in your mind?

I found you are not the first time to confuse "Kyiv" and "Kiev", also you could not find that Red Star Belgrade is the English name but Crezda Zrevda is not. According to WP:NAME, you should use the English name if there is a English name. But the idea you gave me is, you do not know what is called English names. KyleRGiggs 18:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I repeat that one time again, this is not the problem of common or not. It is the problem of English name or non-English name. Because en-wiki is the most popular wikipedia, most people using English could not get what "Kyiv" is. "Kiev" is the English and "Kyiv" is not. Stop doing editing at UEFA CL 2006-07 or so on again. Raymond Giggs 05:11, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RWC2007 form guide

My boy, I am sorry that you thought the form guide was 'totally unnecessary'. I believe it would have been helpful for readers new to the sport to see which matches would be worth following; not everybody knows that the final in St Denis between France and New Zealand will result in five tries, two drop goals and three yellow cards. I was going to tear you off a strip, but reading that you're a Scarlets fan, I realise that you've suffered enough (I was at the Walker Stadium on a very sunny and pleasing April Saturday...). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.66.42.0 (talk) 02:31, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Rugby union national team Improvement Drive

For the 2007 Rugby World Cup WikiProject Rugby union is launching an Improvement Drive for national rugby union teams; specifically those participating in the Rugby World Cup.

We need your help! Here is what you can do:

  • Adopt a national rugby union team article and collaborate with other members to improve it.
  • Find, create and upload free images that will help improve these articles.
  • Copy-edit, reference, and expand articles when and where you can.
  • Promote the project and encourage others to join.

The World Cup is fast approaching and these articles are going to get a lot more hits during the tournament. It would be great if we could have them at a high standard!

For more information see the discussion on the WikiProject Rugby union talk page here.

Shudde talk 05:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Craig Lawton

The book PFA Premier & Football League Players Records 1946-2005 gives his middle name. Brilliant book, recommend anyone to buy a copy. Mattythewhite 12:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you do get to buy a copy and have an ebay account, I'd recommend buying a copy from this guy, reliable seller. And thanks, I don't think anyones said anything like that to me before! Mattythewhite 12:29, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Manchester F.C. seasons

If I believed that criterion 1(a)1 could be so easily sidestepped, I would have removed my objection. I do follow debates I have contributed to, so I don,t need ro be follwoed to my talk page about them. Circeus 01:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"The season articles are being created, and I believe that allows that particular objection to be ignored, regarding the article's FL candidacy."
This is simply preposterous. Have you ever heard of a featured article being promoted "because objections are being worked out"? No FA is passed until, in the eyes of the FA director, all reasonable objections have been addressed. As for saying that criterion 1(a)3 works instead, that is equally inappropriate. It was added so that lists whose individual element are not notable could be featured. Since the article could clearly be made to satisfy criterion 1(a)2, it's entirely inaccurate to attempt to apply 1(a)3. Circeus 01:23, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, I did mean 1(a)1 and not 1(a)2 in the above message. Circeus 01:36, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There's been *plenty* of FLC whose promotion depended entirely on large article creations. Why, pay tell, should this list be given a special treatment? Circeus 01:45, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2008 UEFA European Football Championship qualifying Group F

TThankyou for your personal attack [1],, it is not often I get the opportunity to recieve one. If you are going to continue to make controversial edits, it may be of interest to you that there is an "article talk page" on which you can raise your concerns The Fashion Icon 06:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, WP:NPA was maybe a bit of an over reaction, but could you please look at the article talk page, and at least see that I have genuine reasons to want the attendence cited The Fashion Icon —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 11:40, August 26, 2007 (UTC).

History of Wales rugby team

Hey, I've been working on Wales national rugby union team and was wondering if you had any resources that could help reference and expand the history section of the article? Most of the rest of the article is coming along without to many problems, but the history section (especially Post-war years (1920 - 1969) and Second 'Golden Age' (1969 - 1982)) lacks enough information. Being from NZ I'm having trouble finding good books and stuff on Welsh rugby. Looking at the French article's bibliography gives me the impression there are lots of books out there that could help. Anyway, point is, could you help me? - Shudde talk 23:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply. Yeah my personal library is very limited, but the real problem arises when I visit the local library. There are *heaps* of books on the All Blacks, but very few on general rugby histories, let alone those of another national team. - Shudde talk 01:06, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Manchester United F.C. seasons support

You're welcome. ;) Keep up the good work around here.--Serte [ Talk · Contrib ] 18:36, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article title describing what the article is

I am disappointed that someone would take it upon themselves to move a page without discussion or reference to the editors who have worked on that page. TAFKA Gillingham F.C. managers' records is, as its first line states, a chart that shows the managerial records of those who have held the post of manager at Gillingham F.C.. It is not "merely" a List of Gillingham F.C. managers. On what grounds, therefore, did you conclude without discussion that the latter is a more appropriate title? Kevin McE 23:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Mancgester United FC seasons

As I said at WP:FLRC for Frölunda HC seasons, if there is a higher level of articles exist to substitute the individual seasons for the time being, then it's fine. Frölunda HC seasons does not have any "Swedish hockey" articles(that's why I want it delisted) while MANU has those "English football" articles (that's why I supported).--Crzycheetah 19:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Combination

I was wondering if the Definitive History of Newton Heath which you used to reference their record in The Combination on your season list (congratulations on the FLC, by the way) has a full league table for the unfinished 1888 incarnation. If it does, and if you still have access to it, I'd be very grateful if you could find a moment to let me have details of Small Heath's record. Cheers, Struway2 | Talk 08:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Now the requirement for a full set of individual season articles has very sensibly been dropped I'm sure more season lists will come through. Believe me, there can't be many people who'd really consider Birmingham City 1937–38 (as usual managed to avoid relegation due to sound defence, good job really as leading scorer only got 9, knocked out in 3rd round of Cup 1–0 at home) as remotely worthy of an article to itself! Cheers, Struway2 | Talk 11:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Banned...

You have been asked nicely not to edit it while it is in use. Next time, you will be reported to an admin. You are trying to own the article! Universal Hero 16:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not your page...please look at how much times you have been blocked! Behave! Universal Hero 16:49, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kiev vs Kyiv

Hello. I've noticed that you've changed "Dynamo Kiev" to "Dynamo Kyiv" several times. If you think that's how it should be, the article, FC Dynamo Kyiv should be renamed in the first place. Be aware, however, that this issue is sensitive; Talk:Kiev/naming is 364K long. Conscious 05:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because you don't related to your atlas, right? Secondly, I could not see any discussion from you at THAT TALK. Raymond Giggs 17:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I could not see "Moskva", "Wien", "Praha", "Kiev" - "Moscow", "Vienna", "Prague", "Kyiv" instead. And we could not sound "Kyiv" by English pronunciation as "Ki-if", but "Kai-if". If no decision is made, the best solve is - using Moskva, Praha and Wien instead. Raymond Giggs 17:54, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
According to my English Firefox Spelling Check system, there is no Moskva, Praha, Wien and Kyiv. They show as mistakes. Raymond Giggs 17:56, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A MATTER OF OFFICIAL NAMING? So CSKA Moscow should be CSKA Moskva, but you have not did CSKA Moskva there!!! Raymond Giggs 18:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted your change to the Champions League article. I realise this subject is close to many peoples hearts, but while the decision on Wikipedia is to use Kiev, this article should to. It's not up to the Ukraine to decide how it is spelt in English, that is up to the common usage, and up to now that has been decided as Kiev. I personally don't mind either way (as in according with Wikipedia rules I have a neutral point of view), but if the consensus is to use Kiev, which from the discussion above it is, then it should be used. John Hayestalk 18:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to have ignored that. Where is your WP:NPOV. I'm not going to get into an edit war on this. Just think about the policies. John Hayestalk 18:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, you are quite right, the talk on the city isn't related to the football club. But my point is that currently wikipedia uses Dynamo Kiev, not Dynamo Kyiv (yes I realise this was a recent change). It's not up to an article on the Champions League to define the name of the club, it should use whatever the article on the club uses. If this is changed back (after the proper process), then it should be changed in the Champions League article. Also Uefa isn't always the best source for an English article, as it is a Swiss organisation, so may not use the English usage; take for example their use of CSKA Moskva, whereas CSKA are almost always refered to as Moscow in English usage. John Hayestalk 19:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well actually it seems to have been changed back to Kyiv on the main article now. In which case Kyiv is fine. ;) John Hayestalk 19:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
True. While I now agree with Kyiv, as another example take Crvena Zvezda. Whilst UEFA use that, in English they would almost always be refered to as Red Star Belgrade. John Hayestalk 19:29, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Please see Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(geographic_names) . Kiev is the common English usage and should therefore be used. GameKeeper 20:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English) is not limited to just Geographical names but is a general principle. GameKeeper 20:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I would agree that it is a discussion for the Kiev article. I doubt that the fact it is a bad translation will have any effect on the debate as what matters is what is in common English usage. Unfortunately the 'bad translation' you refer to has become the common English usage over many years. See Kangeroo#Terminology for a more amusing case of how something got its name in English. GameKeeper 20:43, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have been annoyed with going heart attack nearly. I don't want to be annoyed again. If you still go using Kyiv, use Moskva, Praha, Bucuresti. But if you don't accept those three names, use Kiev. Raymond Giggs 06:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bayern Munich 1 - 2 Norwich City

Hi. You were one of the first to contribute to this AfD. Since then, the debate has been extensive and several users have significantly enhanced the article, demonstrating cited notability (and getting rid of POV). I'd be grateful if you'd review your opinion, as I genuinely believe this to be notable. (Also, the specific point you raised has been addressed in the deletion debate). Thanks. --Dweller 20:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Good on you. I wish people were more prepared to change their minds in debates here. I appreciate that. Thanks. --Dweller 20:51, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

3RR

You need to be careful not to break 3RR. Sometimes it is best to step back from an edit war, regardless of whether you are right or wrong. In the end it will harm the encylopedia more if we lose valuable contributors such as yourself then if everything is correct. John Hayestalk 22:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of English football transfers Summer 2007 - references

I was going to put the reeferences in for every single transfer. My intention was to then nominate the list for FA list status. Davnel03 10:14, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, OK. What does "transcluded data limit" you mentioned mean? I've never come across that term before. Davnel03 14:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Is it me

Is it me or do people not respect this site anymore? El-Nin09 19:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC) [reply]

And it is that and more personal reasons that i see no reason to continue here, see you around El-Nin09 19:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Conor Devlin signed for Man Utd media source

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Owen Hargreaves

Owen Hargreaves was born in Calgary, Canada. That makes him Canadian. Just because he has attained British nationality because of his parents, to be able to play for England (as many non-European players do to circumvent the rules as to who is allowed to play in Europe while UEFA winks and looks the other way), does not mean he has changed his place of birth or lost his Canadian citizenship. I think he should be marked as Canadian. Alexf(Talk/Contribs) 18:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did not change it back (you reverted someone else), as I understood your point. I mentioned my opinion on the matter in order to get yours. Alexf(Talk/Contribs) 19:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Man Utd League title winners

This message is just to let you know I wrote a basic stub for 9 players who won a league title with the club thqat were listed here, but did not have an article. Thanks! Patken4 23:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

World cup

Hey do you think we should explain what the dif. bids were like? Goldman07 16:21, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

cool. There is some more info about the dif. bids in the references in that section. Goldman07 16:30, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I played around with that section heaps before. Have you checked out those links? Wanna give it a go? Have you got any other ideas on ways to improve it more? Thanks Goldman07 16:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Aston Villa F.C. seasons

Could you have a look at the article again and make any further comments at the FLC when you can. I am inclined to leave it as it is, in terms of text alignment. Thanks. Woodym555 21:42, 9 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My revert in rugby article

PeeJay, I reverted your recent edit to 2007 Rugby World Cup to fix the grammar. Spreadbury "controlled the opening game". He didn't "officiated the opening" game. Cheers. Moriori 21:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Devlin Man utd academy

some pictures might help make ya believe

http://file020b.bebo.com/1/large/2006/10/04/18/17094644a2176300507b259049068l.jpg

http://file020b.bebo.com/1/large/2006/10/04/18/17094644a2176299795b737695588l.jpg <-- in this foto u can see after the goalpost in the second set of nets he has a ball on his boot

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