Talk:Goku

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1. September 2006 – October 2006
2. October 2006 – April 2007
3. April 2007 – August 2007

Chi?

Since when did K become Ch. Last I checked Dragon Ball was written in Japan, in Japanese, as opposed to China, in Chinese. Can someone clarify this strange and disturbing twist? Because I can watch Seasons 1 and 2 of Dragon Ball Z and find dozens of instances using "Ki" and absolutely 0 using "Chi".205.209.70.128 (talk) 15:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Congrats

To all editors of this Son Goku article, I commend all of you to a job well done, on wirting this article, and finding a resolution to squeezing the necessary information compressing it to a suitable size. Well done! But if you still think you can improve it (that's improvee it, not spoil it) then be confident enough to try. After all, articles can always be improved. If you are aware to my contributions, I apogolize for constantly making it larger, and I swear, I tried to do it by that squeezes as much information that I deem important into a compressed space, even trying to find ways to shrink the article, without keeping out vital parts. But you guys have found a great solution to that problem, so I'd like to say thank you very much. Uglyguy2006 21:13, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thumbs Up to a job well done! UzEE (Talk • Contribs) 21:26, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Go to Dragonball Special Techniques!!! seriously...MysticGohan 04:26, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Can someone tell me why Goku's Techniques and Special Abilities section is back... I'm working on Dragonball Special Techniques so we can just link to that page, as opposed to adding it to the individual characters pages. 24.121.202.80 21:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Appearances in video games section

Unless I forgot something, Son Goku appears in every Dragon Ball game ever released, so this section of the article is rather superfluous. It should be replaced with a single sentence and a link to the much more complete and precise List of Dragon Ball video games. Kariteh 08:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree, there's no point in having the full list. You can change it if you'd like. --VorangorTheDemon 05:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

GA nominee?

I think it's time that we discuss this. We've all worked very hard on this article, and it's a lot better then it was previously. Or perhaps you can list suggestions for improving? It would be much appreciated. --VorangorTheDemon 05:22, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

While I appreciate the hard work put in this article. There is very little chance that it might pass the GAC anytime soon. The main problems are:

_ Lack of inline citations. All affirmations that could possibly be questionned should be sourced to a reliable source.

_ In-universe perspective. While I hate these tags, this one is right: the article really need real world perspective. See WP:FICT for details. A section about the conceptual origin of the character, its stages of development, another about the critical and public receptions to the character, possibly one about its importance in contemporary culture, all would benefit the article.

_ On a lesser note, the article could use a good thorough copy edit by several experimented users. Like most articles made by a real huge bunch of editors without much concertation, the style isn't consistent.

Good luck, --SidiLemine 09:31, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

You mean experienced users, right?--$UIT 04:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Lol! Yeah, that's what I meant. Hasty translation from French.--SidiLemine 12:27, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Its a lot better now, but lets just tune it a bit more to be on the safe side. UzEE (Talk • Contribs) 02:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Super Saiyan 2

If Im not mistaking, Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2 for the first time while fighting Yakkon, in Babidi's ship. He turns Super Saiyan 2 to generate extra energy to blow up Yakkon. UzEE (Talk • Contribs) 02:33, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't think so, though one of my friends drew the same conclusion after watching the scene. I'm pretty sure the first time we see him use SS2 was when he fought Majin Vegeta. His hair and eyes didn't change color during the Yakon fight, and there was no electricity. Plus, I think it's safe to say it would have drawn a much greater reaction from Vegeta. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.127.210 (talk) 23:11, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Why should this be an issue? It's confirmed that Goku had the ability to transform into a Super Saiyan 2 prior to the Majin Vegeta fight. He even had Super Saiyan 3 before the Vegeta fight, Vegeta states that he knew this when he returns to Earth to help Goku fight Shin Boo (Super Buu). And the Bio was removed anyway, it falls under WP:CRUFT. --VorangorTheDemon 23:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Electricity is a sign of Super Saiyan 2 only in the manga. In the anime, Super Saiyan 2 characters often don't generate electricity at all. Kariteh 09:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

True, but also often in the anime, ALL Super Saiyan forms generate electricity, not only Super Saiyan 2 and 3.--VorangorTheDemon 11:45, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

First Super Saiya-jin

Hi all, first time discussing a Wiki entry. Anyway onto the topic.

In the second paragraph of the forms and transformations section there is the line:

Goku is the first[citation needed] Saiyan in the series to achieve the legendary transformation of Super Saiyan in over a millennium.

I feel the citation needed link is unnecessary. Goku is the first character to perform that transformation in the series. At times that fact is disputed but lets look at the other commonly cited possibilities:

Lets assume as it commonly is, that the manga is the canon source and contradictions in the anime or movies are overridden.

Broly	Mirai Trunks (Future Trunks)
While it is possible he attained SSJ1 off screen before Goku did, the movies are not considered canon and are not consistent with the manga (Or even the anime for that matter). On screen we only meet him long after Goku has himself reached SSJ1	In the alternate timeline Goku succomes to the heart disease and dies. However, previous to that change there is no reason to assume that events transpired differently to the main timeline. Thus there is no reason to assume Goku didn't fight Frieza on Namek and attain SSJ1 there before Gohan and Trunks.

If a manga citation is needed to verify the statement its self, someone who has the manga should be able to cite a page reference for Vegetas' statement about the last Super Saiya-Jin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.198.26.150 (talk) 18:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

True. Broly is a character whom was created outside of the original Dragon Ball story, therefore he doesn't count as a "real" character in the continuity of Dragon Ball. The quote is in volume 8 (or Dragon Ball volume 24), I however, don't posess the manga, therefore I can't site the actual quote. There's no way that Trunks achieved Super Saiyan prior to Goku, he wasn't even born until 4 years after Goku's first transformation. And also Mirai Trunks's existence in the primary time line starts the second that he arrives in the time line, not before; which happened one year after Goku's first transformation. --VorangorTheDemon 02:18, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Relatives list

I was thinking that Goku's extended relatives is probably cruft. Like Mr. Satan, Gyuu Maioyu <--(???), and Videl. I think we should keep it exclusive to blood family and immediate family (Chi Chi and perhaps Grandpa Son Gohan who aren't blood). Thoughts? --VorangorTheDemon 23:07, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Though I have no idea what the term 'cruft' means, I think the entire thing should be shortened and the immediate family put together. Otherwise all relationships ( including immediate ) be stated on thier personal page. And unless I'm mistaken I think you got you're time wrong.--[[User:SxeFluff|--69.150.75.230 00:49, 26 September 2007 (UTC)]] 19:48, 25 september 2007

Cruft is a term used on Wikipedia to express the irrelevence of certain information. Or in simpler terms, info that is only important or understandable to fans of the series, and not general readers. And I use the four tides HTML code for my time, so mine is automatically done. Just sign ~~~~ at the end of you're comment, and it converts those four tides to your name (In your case, you're IP address)when you hit "save page". --VorangorTheDemon 16:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Temperament

"Goku does not possess the typical behavioral traits of the race, such as extreme aggression and ruthless behavior, this is due to head trauma and amnesia that he received during his childhood on Earth." I wish this wasn't in here. I think Master Roshi said this in Dragon Ball Z, but it's a weird and dubious addition to Goku's life story. In the original Dragon Ball Goku was naturally gentle. The brain damage storyline/theory seems to be contradicted by the behavior of Goku's two children who if anything seem to be even more peaceful than he is. So unless they both hit their heads really hard in a spaceship crash when they were infants too... Also in the Brolly movie Goku is shown crying excessively while the "normal" Saiyen doesn't cry at all.

I think someone who has seen all three Dragon Ball series should write a section about the disparities in Goku's character among each show. There are much bigger differences than the head thing. I mean in the first series Goku was very much the son of a Monkey God, not an alien. And don't give me that "he was an alien the entire time" bit. If they made another Dragon Ball show where they discovered Goku was a robot the whole time would that make him any less of a Saiyen when he was in Dragon Ball Z? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.64.54 (talk) 22:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

That's why it's stated that Toriyama didn't intend Dragon Ball to be an ongoing story, therefore Goku's history isn't the same as regular Saiyans, or superheroes for that matter. --VorangorTheDemon 12:46, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Does Goku have the ability to go Super Saiyan 2 in Dragonball GT? Cause if so, he never did. Kazi22 11:25, 11 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.239.237 (talk)

He can transform into SS2, he just doesn't do it in the series.--60 Delta 17:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

No one is confirmed to have turned SSj2 in GT, even though there is physical evidence in the series. But this could also just be the part of the vast void of random plotholes created by Toei, everyone argues that both Trunks and Goten also turned SSj2, but no one has ever been confirmed, not even Vegeta or Gohan. And also, this discussion at this time seems like one seen on a forum. We should discuss things about the article, not trivial subjects such as this. --VorangorTheDemon 15:14, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Right.--60 Delta 17:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone seriously needs to revamp the personality section. --Ramenguitar 6:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Why, what's wrong with it?--60 Delta 02:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree because we need to know something about Goku's History. Kazi22 18:40, 17 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.239.237 (talk)

Pages for books

Can someone add the pages for the references in this article? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:DragonballZ-Episode287 188.jpg

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Failed Nomination of this article

I have failed this article for the following reasons.

• Article does not mention the character's actions inside the series the Character takes part in.
• There are not enough references to assert notability.
• There is simply not enough content for a subject that has so much to write about.
• Images could use replacement to better versions.

That about sums it up. This article could become a Good article in time but right now it is not up to snuff. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 21:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

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