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Natural evolution

The opening sentence states "... instead of having naturally evolved as part of a culture". I don't think the 'as part of a culture' is needed or even true, as if the origins of a language are always due to culture (a dangerous word in that respect anyway). JAL 83.80.81.236 13:19, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, since no reactions to my comment, I'm going to change it. Jalwikip 12:28, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Planned language

This article says that "planned language" is a synonym for "constructed language" sometimes used to refer to IALs. Well, that accounts for most everyday usage of the term, but in the literature the term is actually used with quite a precise meaning distinct from both "constructed language" or IAL: Namely a language constructed for human communication (no matter whether international or not). An example of a planned language that isn't an IAL is Lojban. An example of a constructed language that isn't a planned language is Klingon. The German and Esperanto Wikipedias actually get these distinctions right. Marcoscramer 02:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Langmaker.com link

Langmaker.com has apparently been blacklisted. We've gotta get it removed from the blacklist, as it's one of the oldest and most important conlanging websites. I note that Langmaker was just speedy-deleted as well. PubliusFL 18:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Solresol

IMHO Solresol probably merits a mention in the main text. -- 201.51.231.176 13:39, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Audience, Uglossia, and CONLANG" link

Why is the link for the article "Audience, Uglossia, and CONLANG" one to Google's cached version? The article itself appears to exist at http://journal.media-culture.org.au/0003/languages.php. 71.82.214.160 01:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen the original link be down sometimes. Sai Emrys ¿? ✍ 22:06, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring over an article

There appears to be some edit warring over this change:

Articles

[http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/1/esperanto.php Cabinet Magazine Issue 2: Invented Languages, Esperanto: Still Alive and Kicking

An interview with Sabira Ståhlberg]

Interestingly enough, neither side has presented their argument on this page. I'd like to invite them to do so now. For my 2 cents, if there's no reason to get rid of it, I'd change it to:

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Cabinet Magizine Issue 2: Invented Languages, Esperanto: Still Alive and Kicking, An interview with Sabira Ståhlberg

— —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Benhocking (talk • contribs) 17:39, 26 July 2007.

It's not an edit war. The text was removed because Madzo (talk · contribs) is one of three accounts spamming a number of articles with links to this magazine. To combat spamming, all links are removed. If you feel that the article is good, you may re-add it. Adding numerous links to the same website across a number of articles is considered spam — it is an attempt to raise the profile of that site — they are routinely removed and the users warned. — Gareth Hughes 17:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it was added twice and removed twice. I wasn't trying to insult anyone with the "edit war" description. I just thought that some explanation should be given (by both parties) at that point, so I added this little discussion to the Talk page. Thank you for providing your perspective. As for the value of the article, I don't have a strong opinion either way. Ben Hocking ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say it might be useful to link from the Esperanto article, but probably isn't terribly relevant here. It only talks about Esperanto (with passing mentions of Volapük and Ido in relation to Esperanto), not conlangs in general. PubliusFL 18:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Slovio

One week ago, the article about Slovio was deleted after a prematurely aborted discussion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slovio (2nd nomination). I have issued a request for undeletion: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 August 10#Slovio. Please give your opinion there. If the article gets undeleted, which I sincerily hope for, anyone knowledgable about the subject is invited to participate in the discussion. —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 08:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article about Slovio should be UNDELETED as the project of Slovio is an interesting and useful project of an international artificial language that may help people from the west understand and commmunicate in all Slavonic countries without the necessity to learn all those 14something difficult languages. Slovio is a live project with a good prospect in the future. Personally, as a teacher of English language, I had several jobs teaching Czech. My students were Englishpeople and the Dutch. I must say, Slavonic languages are really difficult to learn for people from the west of Europe. I am sure that Slovio is an easy way for the many people how to cope with the "Slavonic Babylon" in everyday life, business, and travelling in east Europe. So, I am also 100% sure the article Slovio should be here in English Wikipedia. BTW articles about Slovio are in the folowing Wikipedias: Bulgarian, Catala, Kaszebsczi, Chuvash, German, Esperanto, Spanish, Finnish, French, Croatioan, Upper Sorbian, Hungarian, Interlingua, Italian, Chinese, Korean, Dutch, Polish, Portugal, Russian, Slovenish, Slovak, Serbian, Swedish, and Ukrainian.--Anglos (talk) 10:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is the wrong place for such discussion. Please post a note at Wikipedia:WikiProject Constructed languages/Edit wars and deletions and then follow the instructions for starting a deletion review. Posting comments on this discussion page will accomplish nothing, because nobody here has any power to undelete Slovio. Sai Emrys ¿? ✍ 22:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

LsF

"As with Interlingua, it is difficult to explain how LsF might be viewed as constructed." - I find this a ridiculous sentence. Someone took a natural language, and changed it to something else. That's construction. It's like taking a big block of wood, making a sculpture out of it, and tell everyone that's not 'constructed'. Jalwikip 12:50, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Same with the similar content about Interlingua higher in the intro. PubliusFL 16:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Where has Folkspraak gone?

About six months or so ago I read a very helpful article on this site about the artificial pan-Germanic language "Folkspraak". The article was helpful, current, and presented comparisons of different languages and this new language which I found fascinating because of the way in which language evolves and relates through time and across cultures. This page was directly responsible for my newfound interest in English etymology. It's gone! Why would such a helpful, comprehensive, page whose content is not duplicated or available anywhere else be deleted?

There are individual Pokemon with Wikipedia entries. There are 8-bit Nintendo characters who receive pages and further sub-pages. Why would anyone with the slightest notion of or respect for scholarship delete Folkspraak? I don't speak the language, I don't participate in its construction, but I can clearly see that it is a new and interesting development, with more practicality than older invented languages like Esperanto.

Tonight I wanted to show my girlfriend the Wikipedia entry for Folkspraak because she had thought it was such a bold idea and hoped to read the examples of the Lord's Prayer in German, Dutch, English, and Folkspraak. We couldn't do that, because someone thought that the space could be better used for such gems as aged Chilean pageant winners[1] and a playlist of songs about dogs [2].

I know that it is difficult for Wikipedians to selflessly expand, prune, edit, and judge articles. I appreciate that I take advantage of their hard work every time I use this service. However, it baffles me that Wikipedia seems so often to err on the side of stupidity. I cannot imagine who decides that an article about an all new invented language, highlighting original techniques for creating an intelligible whole out of a babel of assorted languages is not worth reading. It is important, it is original, it is of interest to serious students of language, literature, linguistics, and etymology. It clearly has the power to inspire people. Why is it unworthy? And why do we instead have a record of every one of the five General Mills Monster cereals, from the popular Count Chocula to the discontinued Fruit Brute?

I am just writing to express my sadness at the way Wikipedia seems to be heading. I will lose all faith unless Folkspraak is re-instated within the month and the Brutus' that stabbed it in the back are reprimanded. I may cry as I remove Wikipedia from my bookmarks. Please; exhume Folkspraak and let your people learn!

   "The best lack all conviction, while the worst
   Are full of passionate intensity"

-From W.B. Yeats "The Second Coming"

(William Butler Yeats Wikipedia Entry: 7457 words Buffy the Vampire Slayer(TV series):9811 words) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.163.28 (talk) 05:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]