Talk:Afro-Cubans

Timba

In the lower portion of the article, timba is listed as belonging to a genre that originated outside of Cuba. It should be noted that timba is native to Cuba, but was influenced by other musical forms.

The statement that Rap and Reggueton are usually associated with Cubans / Afro Cubans is highly inaccurate. There most likely are Cuban contrbutions to both of these musical forms but Cubans really cannot be credited with their invention or advancement.

Rap is generally associated with non-spanish speaking African Ameicans from inner cities in the United States. Reggueton is usually associated with Puerto Ricans and is generally agreed to be a an offshoot of rap.

Original research Additions

A user has added the below paragraph to this page a number of times;

The phenomenon of referring Latinos to their racial background, particularly by adding the term afro to the front of any Latino country, is becoming increasingly more common due to the perceptions and beliefs of the Western/American society and this in no way or form is reflected from the views of Latino societies. This reference which has only been recently used in mainstream information is due to many and various reasons. Partly because this is a way for the underprivileged African-descendants population to empower themselves against the dodgy two way governments of most Latino countries that is, the majority White/European descendant rich upper-class with no real middle class instead by world standards would be considered lower class poor Amerindian and African-descendant class of whom which live in their homeland Latino countries. Partly because it has become socially 'cool' to be black or of African ancestry in today's Western/American society due to increased exposure of black artists impact on the music industry and the social segregation in which some chose to display, particularly gangsta rappers in referring to themselves and other African-descendants as a double-standard term being nigga. Somehow this viewpoint has entered the minds of Latino youths with African ancestry and has been in return adopted by a percentage of these Latinos. This also could be due to many reasons like as a way to rebel or create a sense of uniqueness. There are many more reasons why the term of AfroLatino has surfaced but it should be known that this phrase in no way reflects the viewpoint of Latino culture

Unfortunately it cannot be accepted on wikipedia, because it relays the views of an editor rather than relies on any academic or acceptable sources. Could the contributor please examine the following pages which contain wikipedia policies for future reference WP:NOT, WP:NOR and WP:V.--Zleitzen 08:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Language

The Language section is unsupported, intentionally vague, and reeks of political bias. What does class have to do with ethnic variations of a common Cuban dialect? This section should be expanded and supported with actual research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.100.217.222 (talk) 02:45, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

Haitian Influence

I did attempt to correct the Haitian section, but the truth is that the Haitian connection is *extremely* not in line with fact or history. Blacks in Cuba have an identity that did not need the bolstering suggested in this article. There not as many Hatian Creole speakers or descendants of Haitians as indicated in the article. It is quite an exaggeration, actually, perhaps written by an enthusiast of Haitian culture. Afro-Cubans far outnumber Afro-Haitians and their descendants in Cuba, and the preservation of Yourba liturgical language is due to Afro-Cuban groups, not Afro-Haitians, who have more of a Vodun (not Yoruba/Lucumi) liturgy (although it is similar to the Palo Monte religion in Cuba, but Palo did not come from Haiti rather from Africa). This page is in need of a desperate clean-up.

Afro-Caucasian

The addition of the category "Afro-Caucasian" is ridiculous and misleading. Besides that fact that many anthropologists would take umbrage with the term Caucasian itself, this page is about black Cubans, not Cuba's other demographics. There is no reason to insert a link to "Afro-Caucasian," which itself is yet another inaccurate racial list that for which Wikipedia is famous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noopinonada (talk • contribs) 22:45, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the nonsensical Afro-Caucasian link once again. This is discussion about Cubans who are black and their African-derived culture. If you'd like to initiate a racial inference by inserting a link, Sluzzelin, there are plenty of other "racial" pages in Wikipedia for you to expound upon mulattoes, quadroons, zambos, Afro-Latin Americans, African-Americans, etc. We are focusing on the African element in Cuba here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noopinonada (talk • contribs) 00:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

hmmm

this article comes off as quite racist... please edit to reflect neutral mindedness.